180 Disaster

Folta

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Hello fellow reefers... I'm at a very frustrating point at the moment, and am hoping that I can get some advice from people here. The situation is that I have just upgraded my tank from a 55 gallon to a 180 gallon, and pretty much everything (corals) is dieing. First, let me describe what I had for the 55 setup:

55 gallon display
10 gallon sump with a few bioballs (about a handful)
mag 2 return from the sump to the display
maxijet 900 on one side
maxijet 1200 on the other
Jebo 180 skimmer (but its been off for a while as it kept overflowing onto the floor)
About a 3" deep sandbed
A decent amount of liverock for a 55 (basically it was stacked almost to the top).
2 250w MH Xm bulbs w/ m58 magnetic ballasts and spider reflectors.

The 180 that I transfered to was:

180 gallon display
75 gallon sump
reeflo dart for return
2 seio 2600's in display for added flow
3" deep sandbed
Same exact liverock (I wanted a lower profile rockwork in the tank, so I decided to just move it over first and then down the road would add more if I felt like it needed more)
2 tek fixtures, T5, 39w per bulb, 6 bulbs per fixture for a total of 12 bulbs. This was comprised of 6 aquablue, 4 actinic, and 2 daylight, all geissman brand.

I had about 10 or so frags of sps (millis, torts, hydropora, caps, digitata, stag, etc), various shrooms, zoanthids, yellow polyps, a torch coral, and a few hammers.

Every single sps has died, gone completely white in a matter of days. Most were attached to rocks, so I did the dumb thing and didn't acclimate them individually, but moved them with the liverock they were on. A few pieces I did acclimate over a period of about 3 hours (my typical way of acclimating things to the 55, and I had yet to lose a piece like this in the past year). The LPS looks like its on their last legs, completely shriveled and not many polyps left. All the zoas are closed up, however a few of them seem to be opening up today. The xenia melted away pretty quick (at least one positive thing!).

On top of coral livestock, I have 6 fish: a yellow tang, 2 clowns, a purple firefish, a flame angel, and a leopard wrasse. They all are alive and doing very well (all eating, swimming, being curious... typically fishy business). I have a couple shrimp - coral banded and fire - and both are doing well, picking at the rocks, eating, etc. Hermits and snails are also all doing well.

Parameters of 55:

temp 81-83 deg swing, night to day
salinity 1.025
pH 8.3
nitrites 0
ammonia 0
nitrates ~ 20

Parameters of 180:

temp 80.5 - no fluctuation.
salinity 1.025
pH 8.3
nitrites 0
ammonia 0
nitrates ~ 5

All tests were done with same test kits for both tanks, and the salinity was checked with a refractometer.

I'm at a loss of what to do at this point. I don't know if its too intense light from the T5's, or not enough, or too much flow all of a sudden, or not acclimating things properly (although even the ones I did didn't/aren't making it)... I don't know what direction to go now. My first guess was the light was hitting them too hard, these lights being new and the MH's being about 6 months old. So for a few days I've ran a lower cycle - 4 39w bulbs total for the most part, 1 hour with bulbs on max. It doesn't seem to matter, whenever I check, the corals are all doing worse.

Help me!
 
If the corals werent acclimted to the new lighting they can go south, especially sps since they are more sensitive to changes like that.
I am not real familiar with t-5's so I dont know if they are stronger than the halides you had.
But if the T-5's are weaker than the halides the corals are going downhill because they arent getting enough light.
If the light is too intense the corals will bleach which sound slike what happened. The only thing you can do know is to put the corals low in the tank and feed supplemental feedings, just wait to see if they pull through.
 
The distance from the lights to the corals are pretty close from one tank to the other. The total wattage from the t5's is 462 w, while from the MH's was 500 w. The Tek fixtures have individual reflectors for each bulb.
 
The wattage might be close but the lighting spectum and intensity between both is what can cause a problem. That is where you can get the bleaching from.
 
Ok.. that sounds like a reasonable explanation. How should I attempt to acclimate corals from the MH's to the T5's? I still have some corals in the 55 that I need to acclimate to the 180.
 
What I do when acclimating corals to new lighting setups is this.
Turn the lights on for say 2 hours the first day, than after that shut them off.
The next days to follow, have the lights on for another 2 hours but add 30 minutes each day until you reach your full lighting schedule.
 
I disagree, I believe that coral need at least a 12 hour photoperiod. Instead of cutting down the photeperiod I would use screens to acclimate them. In a tropical climate the sun is out for like 14-17 hours depending on the region. To me it sounds like you rushed stocking your 180 and didnt acclimate the tank and the corals. How long did was the 180 running before you added stuff to it. What's your ALK and calcium at?
 
you have 462 watts total, spread out over a large area. When you place a coral in the tank it isnââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢t receiving 462 watts of light it is getting a small portion of that light. Directly under a 250 watt halide it is getting a more focused light and receiving almost all of the light given off by the bulb.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6688727#post6688727 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by roader247
Yea I think it was light shock try window screen to cut some of the light down. T5's have more par than MH
They may or may not have more PAR but there is less intensity. I donââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢t think it will bleach a coral. He actually has a lot less light now. If any thing they arenââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢t getting as much light as they were.
 
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I totally moved a 92 gallon reef over to my new 180 as soon as my 180's water cleared up after adding the sand bed. The tank temperatures were matched and I started moving everything over I did not loose one coral or fish. The lighting was the same in the 180 as it was in the 92, I just added three more 175 watt halides and another set of vhos because of the six foot length.
 
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sorry about your corals bro that sucks. but i think all your going to get is hind sight here. if your skimmer was still over flowing that tell me your water was still like newly mixed water. not good. you should have run your tank until perfereble with live rock in it, at least until the skimmer started to work without the extra buble tension. then acclamate the corals in after your skimmer is working properly.

dito on check the alklinity and calcium reading.

i think it less likely to have that much to do with your lights than just poor acclamation to new water. but i would go back to my old light anyway. put them over your 180 and cycle them and ween your coral to your new lighting that might be hard to do but thats all i got. i wish you well
 
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