Acro FW's I got 'em, you treat 'em.
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Zoom
Premium Member
Is more than one species of AEFW if i get them i go with the FOWLR tank i had it with all this set backs you work your A** of for years and then something like a little brown FW that you can even see or a stupid anemone spawn in the tank but as in the back burner for many months.
I had it , one more time and i'm done with SPS.
Travis
10 and over club
Zoom, I hear ya man. This hobby can be very frustrating at times. But there is no better feeling a person can have than when their tank stabilizes and goes on auto-pilot and everything is just rockin'.
I didn't see that about Sean. That is kind of sad. He was a real asset to this community. I see he is a mod over on another board these days.
I didn't see that about Sean. That is kind of sad. He was a real asset to this community. I see he is a mod over on another board these days.
gflat65
New member
Just finished treatment #2. I lost quite a few in week one, but I'm gonna go with bad placement (lower flow and light), and I need to do more water changes on the treatment tank. I'm going to start doing 5 gallons a night until I finish this, as WC's seem to have slowed the rtn drastically. I noticed some stn'ing (well, if stn is over the course of a few days) around the bottom and some receding around the bottom. Alk is a little low (dKH-7.7), but I think flow might have more to do with it. I got nearly everything elevated and have created some better flow patterns. Hopefully, the die off is over...
and now almost 2 months later all clear still............................
Lunchbucket
Premium Member
well i need to do some SERIOUS reading. i haven't read through the 2 major AEFW threads yet...so i need to get all the research/ideas down.
i'm not sure if i have them. i have gotten frags from Travis who confirmed has them....so now i'm scared. i'm not saying that i even have them or that i even got them from Travis as i have gotten MANY frags from different people. since he has them it is just setting me into alarm/panic mode!!
i have seen NO signes of recession other then blasting a coral w/ too much flow from a Tunze, seeing recession in very shaded areas on the bottome of a coral. i have not lost a coral in 5-6months and that was a baby sized frag that my yellow eye kole tang "cleaned" too much.
well i have been searching all of my corals w/ a flashlight at night and have seen nothing...but i guess sometimes you don't see them. i dont' seen any damage people are describing either besides the recession on the underside of some corals that wouldn't get optimal light or flow there.
i did just get a A loripies (maybe) colony that i inspected really well last night and thought i notieced what was two clutches of eggs. they might have been the size of a pin head (each one) but there were down on a part of the acro that had been receeded since i got it (~1month ago). i can't tell from everyones pics how big the eggs acually are...ours were TINY...if there were even eggs. i looked the acro over and noticed nothing that i could tell was an AEFW. there was recession on the bottom but i'm not sure if it was due to the lack of light and flow down there or if i'm freaking myself out and thinking i have the dreaded AEFW's. what other things would make clutched of eggs (if that is what they were)????
i have a buddy who is gonna start a treatment this weekend....do i just tear out all my acros and treat them just in case or do i wait and see if i actually do have them???? i guess i'm at a loss for what i do or don't have and what to do
i have thought about tearing the whole tank down and starting over. i have bryopsis and hydroids and i guess it would let me start over clean. also i could do a good cleaning on all the pumps and such.
thanks everyone
Lunchbucket
i'm not sure if i have them. i have gotten frags from Travis who confirmed has them....so now i'm scared. i'm not saying that i even have them or that i even got them from Travis as i have gotten MANY frags from different people. since he has them it is just setting me into alarm/panic mode!!
i have seen NO signes of recession other then blasting a coral w/ too much flow from a Tunze, seeing recession in very shaded areas on the bottome of a coral. i have not lost a coral in 5-6months and that was a baby sized frag that my yellow eye kole tang "cleaned" too much.
well i have been searching all of my corals w/ a flashlight at night and have seen nothing...but i guess sometimes you don't see them. i dont' seen any damage people are describing either besides the recession on the underside of some corals that wouldn't get optimal light or flow there.
i did just get a A loripies (maybe) colony that i inspected really well last night and thought i notieced what was two clutches of eggs. they might have been the size of a pin head (each one) but there were down on a part of the acro that had been receeded since i got it (~1month ago). i can't tell from everyones pics how big the eggs acually are...ours were TINY...if there were even eggs. i looked the acro over and noticed nothing that i could tell was an AEFW. there was recession on the bottom but i'm not sure if it was due to the lack of light and flow down there or if i'm freaking myself out and thinking i have the dreaded AEFW's. what other things would make clutched of eggs (if that is what they were)????
i have a buddy who is gonna start a treatment this weekend....do i just tear out all my acros and treat them just in case or do i wait and see if i actually do have them???? i guess i'm at a loss for what i do or don't have and what to do
i have thought about tearing the whole tank down and starting over. i have bryopsis and hydroids and i guess it would let me start over clean. also i could do a good cleaning on all the pumps and such.
thanks everyone
Lunchbucket
Travis
10 and over club
I've been followig this thread from the beginning but have forgot a lot of the details. With the 40ppm treatment for 5 hours, does it also require shaking/blasting the corals? I do remember reading a post where Mitch said the FW's start falling off dead after only 20-30 minutes. Obviously shaking/blasting the corals at the end of the treatment would be best but it will be hard to do in my quarantine setup as everything is packed in super tight. But if there's a will there's a way.
Lunch, try to get us a pic of the egg clutches you are talking about. Then we might be able to confirm if they are/aren't FW egg clutches. I hope you haven't gotten any from me, or I didn't get the from you so you don't have to go through what I am right now. Just keep checking your acros with a flashlight at night. If there are any AEFW's in there, you will see them at night.
Lunch, try to get us a pic of the egg clutches you are talking about. Then we might be able to confirm if they are/aren't FW egg clutches. I hope you haven't gotten any from me, or I didn't get the from you so you don't have to go through what I am right now. Just keep checking your acros with a flashlight at night. If there are any AEFW's in there, you will see them at night.
Travis
10 and over club
gflat65, your results from the treatments so far are making me nervous. I wonder if you might be treating a little too aggressively by blasting them so much with a MJ 1200 and putting them into 100% fresh saltwater afterwards. I think that is what I remember you were doing from a previous post. Sorry if I'm remembering wrong. I would maybe try basting them lightly with a turkey baster or a smaller pump like a MJ 400. I also think it is important to put them back in water that they are somewhat used to after the treatment is over so they don't have to adjust to clean SW, which is already caustic, when they are stressed from the treatment. Just trying to help. I can't imagine how you must feel losing so many of your nice corals. I hope the losses stop for you.
gflat65
New member
Travis,
I only used a baster last night to try to reduce stress. One of my milles (ORA blue) is starting to rtn today... I'm doing a water change from my main display and putting them in the cycled water from the water change, so no new salt water. The main display has been getting a lot of WC's lately... I'm going to start doing a 5 gallon change each day until I finish the treatment (gonna go one more round). I didn't see a single flatworm last night (or at all since the first treatment). I'm going to go ahead and do the last treatment just to be safe...
I only used a baster last night to try to reduce stress. One of my milles (ORA blue) is starting to rtn today... I'm doing a water change from my main display and putting them in the cycled water from the water change, so no new salt water. The main display has been getting a lot of WC's lately... I'm going to start doing a 5 gallon change each day until I finish the treatment (gonna go one more round). I didn't see a single flatworm last night (or at all since the first treatment). I'm going to go ahead and do the last treatment just to be safe...
gflat65
New member
Also, most don't seem to have the problems I have with rtn (or aren't reporting them anyway), so I'm inclined to say that it has something to do with the way Im doing the treatment and husbandry... I don't know what else to blame, since several others seem to have done this without the issues I've had... I wonder if there is an inactive ingredient that may be causing issues? Just grasping at straws, though...
Travis
10 and over club
I re-read all the posts in this thread earlier today. turtlspeed lost quite a few to RTN from the treatments also. Reefer Mac lost about half of his acros but said it was probably due to heater problems in the treatment tank. orion did the treatments and only had like 1 RTN. This thread is fairly long but there are not too many people that have tried the levamisole treatments and posted about it. I am 2 hours into my first treatment. After about 10 minutes 80% of the corals had their polyps closed up and brittle stars, asterina stars, and pods were blowing around in the current. Checked on the tank again at 2 hours and there are lots of FW's blowing around now. I would say there are probably 50 or more in blowing around in the water. I was expecting to see more. Maybe my infestation was not as bad as I thought, maybe it is still too early in the treatment, or maybe some are dead but caught up in the coral branches. The FW's I saw on the corals before the treatment were brown but all the ones blowing around are clear. Not sure if there were more than one kind infecting my corals or if the levamisole causes them to expell their pigments.
clkwrk
Active member
Hey guys I just though I would let you know that I found 5 pycnogonids in a colony which also had AEFW's. YES I RETRACT MY LAST POST Anyways I seen AEFW damage on one lonesome acro in its own corner . I proceeded to pull the colony and dip in 800ml of water and 4 full squirts of TMPCC . 10 mins later I had already seen 5-10 AEFW's come off and squirming on the bottom of the cup. As a basted the coral the pycnogonids came off also they were now dead . I also noticed a few dead pods and a bristle worm dead.
Anyways I am now on the look out for the seaspiders.Mine were the really thin ones.
Just though I would share.
Anyways I seen AEFW damage on one lonesome acro in its own corner . I proceeded to pull the colony and dip in 800ml of water and 4 full squirts of TMPCC . 10 mins later I had already seen 5-10 AEFW's come off and squirming on the bottom of the cup. As a basted the coral the pycnogonids came off also they were now dead . I also noticed a few dead pods and a bristle worm dead.Anyways I am now on the look out for the seaspiders.Mine were the really thin ones.
Just though I would share.
clkwrk
Active member
Sorry to hear of all your guys RTN experiences. I have refrained from using the levamisole treatment and I feel I have the upper hand with TMPCC dips ,blowing corals off and my wrasses.I haven't lost a coral yet . Although a few were fraged back a ways or I just a frag left because it was easier.
