Acro FW's I got 'em, you treat 'em.

I decided to test some frags in the "Tubs" Reef Dip solution tonight. This solution is 1 capful of Reef Dip per cup of tank water and let the corals soak in it for 15 minutes. I had 9 capfuls of reef dip left in my bottle so that allowed me to make up a 9 cup solution, which was a little over 1/2 gallon of water. I did the dip in a 1 gallon ice cream pail. I did 3 rounds with the same dip solution. Each round, I stuffed as many frags as I could fit in the pail and set the timer for 15 minutes. I then filled another pail with water from the quarantine tank. After the 15 minutes, I took each coral and blasted it with a MJ 400 (very gentle flow) in the second pale before returning the frags to the quarantine tank. I should have only treated a few "test" frags but I got ambitious (see stupid) and did 3 batches for a total of about 25 frags. I got done about an hour ago. I just went down to check on the corals I treated and they do not look good at all. Tissue is completely peeling off about 5 of them already. And this is only 1 hour after the treatment. Most of these corals were perfectly healthy and had no problems with the levamisole treatments. It looks like I'm gonna have to look for yet another alternative. I think it is time to see if I can score some TMPCC.
 
toward my 2nd treatment of Levisole for 5-6hours at 60ppm. I just found one adults and two clutches of eggs.

Compared to the 1st treatment at 24ppm at 4-5 hours where I found at least 5 and no eggs. Although this first treatment turned the water into a gush of dead pods, mini stars , debris, slime, etc.


Ill continue at 60ppm for the third and fourth dips.

Has anyone seen a small adult die off from this? its too hard to see the smaller ones. Im aware that adults dont really get affected by this.
 
Thanks for sharing Aero. So your corals do fine with 60ppm treatments? I was thinking of bumping up to 50ppm next time in hopes that it would hit the adults harder, if I still have any left after the first 2 treatments. But it sounds like you have had adults live even through 60 ppm treatments. The past 2 treatments I did I found lots of adults stuck on the bottom of the tank at the end of the treatments. I will feel fairly confident I have finally hit all the adults once I do a treatment and don't find any adults on the bottom of the tank.

I can verify that the levamisole hits the younger ones nice and hard. During my first treatment, I checked the tank 15 minutes into the treatment and there were young ones blowing all over the place. These were really small and hard to see but there were tons of them blowing around and most likely dead. I didn't see any young ones blowing around in the second treatment so I do feel fairly confident that I did get the young ones during the first one. It is just the dang adults that are tough to kill.
 
My corals did fine at 60ppm. I took them back to the 55gallon qt tank sitting on the eggcrates with 10gallons of new sw (tropic marin pro). (only 2/3 filled up)

The qt tank runs off from the bacpak skimmer, maxijetts on wavemaker , 4 rows of t-5 HO lights. barebottom

The dip tank is just a 29gallon tank running off the seio and maxijetts filled with 10gallons of water from the qt tank.

After this 2nd treatment I only noticed 1/3 of my acros lighting up and rest are browning up. I believe this is due to the water in my qt tank being cooler since the heater was moved to the dip tank and with new sw.


Ive been doing alot of luggol dipping before this a month prior. So there may not be alot of adults left.

So I guess when dipping with Levis....blast them good with pw and shake them really goood.... and coat eggs with super glue.


thanks for the info on those tiny flatworms. That was just hard to see, I only seen one tiny one in the first treatment.
 
Finally finished up my last treatment a couple days ago. My last 2 treatments I did at 60 ppm for 7-8 hours. I found this dose to be more effective at killing the adults. My first 2 treatments (40ppm for 5 hours) left several adults stunned but still living at the end of the treatment. Half way through the third treatment (60ppm) I saw one adult crumpled up and dead. That was the only adult I saw during or after this treatment. Some of the corals lightened up considerably after this treatment but no losses due to the treatment alone. Just to be safe, I waited 2 weeks before doing the 4th and final treatment. I figured if there were any eggs that I missed, 2 weeks should give them long enough to hatch out and then the FW's would get killed by the final treatment before they could lay any more eggs. Never saw any FW's or clutches after the last treatment. The corals showed no ill signs after the last treatment.

I feel that 60 ppm is a more effective dose as it will kill the adults rather than just stun them as the 40 ppm dose does. This dose did cause some lightening in the corals that I did not experience from the 40 ppm dose. If anyone tries the 60 ppm dose please do it at your own risk. Your results may vary from mine.

I know I had my qualms about the levamisole after my first treatment when I had several corals RTN. After doing 3 more treatments I feel it is more the fault of my treatment method than the levamisole itself. For example, I didn't have the water temp in all of the holding tanks the exact same temperature. After correcting this, I didn't experience any more major adverse reactions from the subsequent treatments. No doubt the levamisole does stress out the corals but probably not enough to cause the RTN alone.

I did lose another handful of corals during the quarantine period but it had nothing to do with the treatments. I was out of town for a week at IMAC and the last day the quarantine tank overflowed and the auto-top-off added 40 gallons of RO/DI water to a 75 gallon tank. When the top off tub emptied, the sump emptied and there was no heat or sump circulation for almost a day. The temp dropped to 70 and the salinity dropped to 20. A few corals were total losses by the time I got home and about half of the corals were experiencing RTN to some extent. Suprisingly the RTN stopped right away after I got everything corrected and did a 80% water change.

I don't plan on adding another acro to my tank for a long time, if ever again. It just isn't worth the work of going through a 4 week quarantine/treatment period just for 1 frag or even a handful of frags, IMO. I'm just going to sit back and enjoy the corals that I do have. They are all a lot more special to me now they have had to endure all of this and have survived.

I just want to say thanks to Mitch for posting about the levamisole and thanks to others who have shared their experiences. Because of threads like this, the hobby is able to move forward.:)
 
Thanks for the update Travis. I'm glad you appear to have gotten past them.

Nice to hear some encouraging news on this front.

Hauling out two corals from my tank today to inspect with a loupe for FW's + eggs. It's good that there's something to consider, and people with what seems success, even if a quite problematic treatment.

I hear you on being done collecting Acropora - I'm good with what I have. Kick myself for not being happy with them a year ago.
 
Hi, just tagging along with this very informative thread.
BTW, what happened with Sean T? I havenÃ"šÃ‚´t seen him for a while.
Mark
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7329856#post7329856 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Leopardshark

BTW, what happened with Sean T? I havenÃ"šÃ‚´t seen him for a while.
Mark
Sean T ............................................ Moved on. :(
 
My treatment plan...

My treatment plan...

Well I have them, here's the plan to treat, please let me know what you think.

First off, I have a 60 gallon aacrylic cube with a single halide over it. The tank is all acros and montis, no fish or others, small cleanup crew.

My thoughts are this.

Remove all corals and place in QT ( while the rest is going on).

Remove all live rock from the tank and place in holding containers to soak without light for 2 months.

Drain the main tank, and flush the entire system with fresh water. Let run with fresh for 30min, wipe all surfaces clean.

Meanwhile the corals in QT will bein the first treatment with TMPCC in a 10 gallon tank with Maxi jets and tooth brush scrubs.

Next I will refill the display with new salt water.

I will then add the PVC frag rack and re introduce the corals and frags to the now (should be) sterile and AEFW free system.

I will continue the TMPCC treatments weekly for 4- 6 weeks before adding the liverock back to the tank.

It is my belief based solely on my tank, that I aquired these nasty creatures on new LR.

I did not have any signs of these in my old tank and the only thing added when switching to the new system which is a third of the size was all new rock. Shortly there after, I started seeing signs.
 
Premium Aquatics, no corals were introduced for almost a year, infact after I got red bugs I decided to stop stocking. I tore down my 180, and got a tank that the corals I had would fill nicely. I got rid of all of my old rock and bought 90 lbs of fresh Kaelini from PA. So, if these are coming in incubated on LR, we are all in trouble.

Just a question, but what happens more often than not when you introduce a non native species into a new enviroment? It throws everything out of whack. Without natural predators, and without natural defense, this species multiplies and eventually destroys it's food supply.

Right?


So if we are introducing Fiji native corals to Bali native rock is it possible that we are doing this to ourselves? Perhaps the reason the AEFW attack specific corals is because the others have a natural immunity or defense against them, that has yet to develop in the others? Just specualtion.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8010705#post8010705 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by DaddyJax
Just curious on what are the specific corals that they favor?

IME, you can find them on any acropora sp. However, they seem to favor the branchy tricolors like A. valida, A. nana, and A. cerealis. Those are the corals that will likely show the first signs of the FW's and have the highest FW concentrations.
 
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