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fish like me

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hi im new 2 forms so im needed help with setup a big fishtank of 440 gallons in the wall. ok so my relatives give me big fish tank for sale in the house n i put it in the wall of the house in the room but no fish but only wit salt instant ocean, abd test kit is five dip in one ammonia nitrat n nitright so im ****ed b/c im needed 2 no if what kind of fish n coral i put it in. i have 2 tang and 1 shrimp and 1 snail n 1 clownfish in plastic box to holding un til big tank is in the wall pushing in all over i hear many good things about forms here n i hope u give me good advise thanks
 
Would love to give you some advice, but I can't actually understand what you are asking! Can you try it again, in english? :)

Why do you have livestock in a plastic box? You shouldn't purchase livestock until your tank is fully cycled and ready to accept fish.

We need way more info about your system in order to help you.
 
english translater? i can change languages on computer, but i dont see this one! and why do you have fish, shrimp, and snail in a plastic box? courious! REEF-ON!!!
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7462313#post7462313 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by nano4brains
english translater? i can change languages on computer, but i dont see this one! and why do you have fish, shrimp, and snail in a plastic box? courious! REEF-ON!!!

While I agree that his grammar was bad, you had a typo also with your translatEr :D.

FWIW, you should return your fish + shrimp to the LFS for holding until your tank parameters stabilize. Once your tank is set up right, then move them in.
 
His tank currently has water in there. It is new fish tank that he just got. Since the tank is not ready, that's why he has live stock in the plastic box. He is asking what kind of coral and fish that he can put in with what he has now.

Personally, I think it might be too quick. I would get the task ready and live stock in the tank before thinking about what to get next.

By the way, this person is new to the forum. You might want to give him a break.

Cheers!
 
He's effectively doing a quarantine in the plastic box. And he's phone-texting on the computer, but I'm losing some of it.

My advice, fish like me, is to keep the fish well aerated, well filtered, and watch them for disease while you 'cycle' your tank. Feed the tank as well as the fish, a pinch of flake food a day for the tank---I trust you have live rock and live sand in your 440. If you don't, get some live rock and put it in. Your test strips should return a reading of 0 nitrate, 0 nitrite, 0 ammonia before you put anything live in. This takes from 2 weeks to a month.

The reason it works is this: you're using a filter on the fish, and you change it when it needs changing. Your tank will use a different kind of 'filtration'. The bacteria in the live rock and sand will 'digest' all waste, and you won't need a filter over there, just a protein skimmer. I take it your tank has a sump, where you have a heater, a skimmer, etc.

What you can keep in there depends on the quality of your lighting. Metal Halide light for acropora stonies, T5 for most else.

If you can type all the way out, you will get a more thorough answer---slower, but more productive: most people here are not used to reading phone-text, and when you're dealing with chemistry and your fish, absolute precision in question and answer is a very good thing.
 
ok thanks for advise ppl. sum1 in hobby tell me b/c i want keep fish n coral i need nitrogin will go away in tank first and i do this b/c fish need oxygen in water in tank w/out algea break. so instan ocean salt is mixing with 440 gallons water in tank and fish in box b/c the nitrogin present is in tank. sk8r thanx for reply can u tell if how i find the nitrogin and make it not there b/c i put 1 tang in tank in morning and evening he dead n body is more small now befour he dead and eyes open big. can u tell way 2 make fish n coral live long pls. im not understanded sumthings u say like 0 return for reading b/c it is colour in pink and more pink. more more pink.sorry for english but im not talk good b/c im india small n mother tonge is not this n sum fish n coral not good for law for keeping for tank thanx for advise
 
I would suggest you buy a good book on keeping a marine and/or reef tank. It would equip you all the basic knowledge you need to get started. Although the forums on Reef Central are great, it may be difficult for you to learn some of the most elementary concepts in a short period of time. A good book would do that though. Of course, most people on here are very happy to help you in whatever way that we can. I feel that without first learning some basic stuff on your own it may be more difficult for us to help.

I would take the organisms that you now have back to the LFS (Local Fish Store) for the them to keep until you learn how to set up and maintain your aquarium... and also to let the tank "cycle".

I know there are tons of great books to recommend to you, but my mind is really drawing a blank right now. Could someone help out with a book recommendation for our friend?
 
so instan ocean salt is mixing with 440 gallons water in tank and fish in box b/c the nitrogin present is in tank. sk8r thanx for reply can u tell if how i find the nitrogin and make it not there b/c i put 1 tang in tank in morning and evening he dead n body is more small now befour he dead and eyes open big.


Please, please, please take the fish back to the store. If you are still in the stages of just mixing the salt in the tank, in no way can you add livestock. You need to purchase test kits to test your water after it cycles to make sure it is safe for fish or anything else.
 
Alright. I think our friend here has a 440 gallon tank in the works. I don't believe the tank has fully cycled, while our friend has already purchased some livestock, one of which has already died.

Fish Like Me, I think IndoorOcean is right on with his recommendation. If possible, go to a local bookstore and pick up a copy of Saltwater for Dummies. You can order it from amazon.com as well. You can gather your very basics of saltwater from this book. In the meantime, the fish and snails you've purchased need to be taken back to the source. Heck, you can take them and release them into the ocean if nothing else. They'll have a better chance surviving there then in a plastic box with god knows what kind of parameters.

Secondly, I don't think you understand 'cycling.' It's short for Nitrogen Cycle. In layman's terms, it's kind of like when you purchase a house to live in, you must ensure before you move in that you will have your basic necessities therein to sustain you in good health and spirits. In order for your fish to survive, and then thrive, there's a few things you must first understand. I'll keep it very basic and to the point.

The salt in your water is referred to as your Salinity. The salinity of your water must be maintained within a specific range for your fish and corals to survive in. Salinity is measured in Parts Per Million and Specific Gravity. SG can be easily measured with several devices, the most common and basic being a hydrometer. You must maintain your SG between 1.021 and 1.026 for your fish and your corals. The SG must remain constant, or fluctuations will stress your livestock and may kill them as a result.

You want to keep the temperature in your tank ideally between 77 to 81 degrees. You can sustain stable temperatures by employing submersible heaters or external chillers depending on what type of weather you live in. You can do more research on Heaters and Chillers online. They are two completely different devices. You can check your temperature by sticking a thermometer either inside or outside of the tank.

Next is the toxins in your water. To keep it simple, just know that your water initially contains a bunch of chemicals and etc which can be very harmful to your fish and corals. Some names for those chemicals are nitrates, nitrites, ammonia etc as your quickdip test kit indicates.

Basically, once you have your water in your tank (hopefully with some live rock or some sort of organism) you just need to let your tank run for a period of time and not add any livestock to it. Maybe it'll take a couple of weeks, maybe longer, but by using your quickdip test kit, check to see when all those chemicals have disappeared from your water. In your case, the pink should not be pink but should remain white, and the ammonia indicater should remain yellow?! Consider investing in other test kits that are more accurate. For basic tests, you can get by with RedSea brands, but for more complexed stuff such as Calcium etc you want Salifert test kits.

I am tired of typing now and this has already become a really long post, so in the end, I will say that you need to do a lot of research before you do anything else. These forums are a good place to start, and you've taken a step in the right direction. As a matter of fact, while your tank is cycling do nothing else but read about reefkeeping and saltwater. Oh, and welcome to Reef Central.
 
THE GIST OF FISHLIKEME'S MESSAGE: "OK. Thanks for advice, people. I am new in the hobby. Please inform me because I want to keep fish and coral. I need nitrogen to go away in the tank first, and I am doing this [under the impression that] fish need oxygen in their water in the tank [to avoid] an algae bloom. I have Instant Ocean salt mixing with 440 gallons of water in my tank and I am keeping my fish in quarantine because the ?nitrogen? AHHHH NITRATE! is high in my display thank. sk8r, thanks for your reply. Can you tell me how I can reduce the nitrate in my tank, because I put one tang in the tank in the morning and he died by evening. Can you tell me how to help my fish and corals survive. I don't understand all you say like 0 reading, because the gradations are pink and more pink and [my tests are not making sense.] I apologize for my English, but I'm from India. I'm having trouble figuring out how to keep fish and corals in my tank."

I think this is the gist of what FishLikeMe is saying. [Major in languages, here, but Indian languages are not in my experience, unfortunately.] He's saying 'nitrogen' but he means 'nitrate.' I think he's cycling his tank, he has his fish in quarantine tank, he misread the test strip because the difference in the pink color of the strips wasn't that apparent to him, [probably with instructions in English] and the tank must have nitrates because he lost a fish believing his test strips. He has a very big tank, and he wants to keep both fish and corals. He is frustrated at his test strips and frustrated with the language barrier, plus distressed at losing the fish.

Let's see if we can help, here, and particularly good would be internationally available books, classics, on reefkeeping.
I think he needs some pointers to some of our good files on getting set up and getting the tank cycled. He needs things that use basic---and especially unambiguous words. Dual meanings are going to be a real pain for him, and could mislead him. I think he is composing his letter by knowing how to phone-text----which is really pretty ingenious, but not having a huge reef-specific vocabulary. So anybody who knows how to phone-text may be of some help here. I can read it phonetically, but I lose some things, and I don't know where those files he most needs may be. REALLY good would be if there is someone in the forum who speaks a language FishLikeMe speaks with more ease.
 
ok sorry for trouble for fish im not before understand what fish like to keep in water for living good and food b/c tank is gift 4 sale from uncle n instant ocean n testdip i take fish back 2 market but they take not back b/c they say it used and 1 blue colour tang dead so not take back for dead fish and live fish and live snail n live shrimp i buy 1 book for aquarium 2morow today after father home b/c im not have money for spend in book but im understandin it hard to keep fish n coral wit chemical in water n tank cycling first for 2 week n thanx for advise
 
Again: translation. "Ok, sorry for the trouble for my fish. I'd didn't previously understand the [conditions] the fish need, water-wise. The tank is a gift from my uncle, along with the salt and the test strips. I tried taking the fish back to the market, but they wouldn't take it back. I lost a blue tang, and I have snails, live fish, and a live shrimp. I intend to buy an aquarium book tomorrow as soon as my father comes home. I don't have the money right now. I am figuring out it is hard to keep fish and coral with the chemical [changes] going on in the water. It has been cycling for 2 weeks. Thanks for the advice."

FishLikeMe---you're doing very well in a difficult situation.
1. You need live rock---rock with bacteria on it---in your tank.
2. You need to wait. Algae will come in the main tank. Lots of algae.
3. The test-dip strips then will have no color. Then water is safe. You put snails in first. Snails will eat the algae.
You wait 2 days. Test-dip again. If test-dip has no color, ok to put 1 fish in.
Again wait 2 days. Test-dip. If test-dip has no color, ok to put in fish #2. Same with all fish and shrimp.
4. The book is a good idea.
 
Just a freindly reminder to all.
He is in India so he can not just "take it back to the store"

It looks like a large tank and the fish to go in it got dumped on him with little or no notice, hes doing the best he can.

Since he can not take the fish back he needs to keep them alive in the plastic box which I am guessing is a shipping box.

So advise to keep the fish alive till the large tank is at least partialy cycled would be useful.
 
ok hi today my father buy book n it name is reef secret n 2 ppl write it n its name is alf jacob nilson n svein a fossa can u pls tell if read this book help me make fish n coral live happy in tank thanx for advise
 
I'm LMAO ROTF with the new wave slang jive... We should do a new site for untranslated abbreviated thumb-only text.

So much time wasted on words and stuff plus the bonus is no spell check!

:)
 
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