Air in Pouch

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BradL.

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I have 3 SHs in a 40 gallon hex. One of the males keeps getting air in his pouch.(Like every other day) He gets stuck to the stand pipe and he seems to be getting worse. This has been going on for a couple months now. Anyway to stop this?
 
I think the next step would be to flush the pouch with diamox. I don't know the specifics of this treatment but a post in the emergency section at seahorse.org should get you lots of help. Good Luck.
 
I would stay away from the bobby pin method IMO. Diamox is the best treatment.

Can you give us the specs on your tank, including equipment and 02 levels so we can help find the problem.
 
I think the pouch evac is great for a one or two time deal. If I understand it correctly, the Diamox would be used for chronic repeating cases.
Pledosophy is right, you also need to analyze your setup to see if a cause can be determined.
 
There are 3 living in this 40 gallon hex. After giving birth this particular male keeps filling with air. Im afraid hes not doing well lately and will soon will go to the great hitching post in the sky. He dosent have the strength to break away from the stand pipe. So he spends his days floating and gasping for air.
 
You need to treat with a diamox flush so it will stop reoccuring. i agree if you do nothing that your soon horse will soon go to the tank in the sky, but treating for GBD is not diffucult, and is something you can easily do.

There are many common causes for GBD. We can help you find the causes if you take the time to list all the equipment used in the tank. Filters, skimmers, powerheads, sumps, bioball, please list it all.

GBD is not one of the diffucult diseases to cure we can help you if you let us.

DO you have diamox? Have you ordered any yet. If not, shoot me a PM ;).
 
Ive let the air out probably 10 times all ready. I dont know what the diamox treatment is. I do appreciate those trying to help.

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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7118420#post7118420 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by alien9168
Why not use the bobbypin method to make him more comfortable, then simply treat him with diamox?
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I agree treating with pouch evacs are a good temporary measure, but if it is a coninual reoccuring process I would look for the problmes source, and treat with diamox. JMO

I know it's hard when you have a sick horse and everyone tells you what to do. We all want to see it get better.

To do a pouch flush

In cases of recurring pouch emphysema, diamox can be administered as a solution injected into the pouch via an narrow gauge irrigating cannula or narrow gauge IV catheter sleeve attached to a 0.5 or 1ml syringe (larger syringes should not be used).

Using a blender, mix 1/4 of a 250mg tablet with a cup of seawater at the same SG as the tank. Fill the syringe with about .5ml of this solution after it has settled, avoiding the residue at the bottom of the cup. The seahorse should be held as per the procedure for pouch evacuations.

Insert the catheter sleeve slowly and gently a small way into the pouch opening and inject this solution SLOWLY into the seahorseââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢s pouch, leaving the solution in the pouch. Make sure you are familiar with the location of the pouch opening.

Never use a metal needle for this procedure.

The procedure may have to be repeated twice (once every 24 hours) to be effective. In stubborn cases, it is recommended to concurrently administer water bourne broad spectrum antibiotics in a hospital tank. Diamox and antibiotics have been used simultaneously and successfully without appararent side effects.

If you are using a larger catheter, you can do a pouch evacuation first, before the flush
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For the catheter try aquabiotics.net, Diamox is not sold in the U.S. if you need some PM me. ;)
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7116885#post7116885 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by pledosophy


There are many common causes for GBD. We can help you find the causes if you take the time to list all the equipment used in the tank. Filters, skimmers, powerheads, sumps, bioball, please list it all.
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Is that the horse in question? There doesn't appear to be a problem.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7124571#post7124571 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by pledosophy
Is that the horse in question? There doesn't appear to be a problem.
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That is one of the horses. As stated the horse in question is stuck at the top of the water and is no longer eating.
 
Brad , If you need them I am local and have these meds . ground would be next day delivery for us. all I would ask in return is for you to relplenish them when you get some ( I can help with this as well ). I would need to know how much is needed though as I have never had to do a diamox flush . you would still need to locate a catheter . I have to run out at 4:15 , but if you pm me your address and how much is needed before that I can drop it off at ups while I am out.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7124417#post7124417 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by pledosophy
I agree treating with pouch evacs are a good temporary measure, but if it is a coninual reoccuring process I would look for the problmes source, and treat with diamox. JMO

I know it's hard when you have a sick horse and everyone tells you what to do. We all want to see it get better.

To do a pouch flush



For the catheter try aquabiotics.net, Diamox is not sold in the U.S. if you need some PM me. ;)
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Thanks for agreeing :)
 
If the horse is floating you need to do a flush. You can do an evac for the time being but it is best to treat with a flush, since this is a reoccuring problem.

YOu can get the catheter overnighted from aquabiotics.net.



Hate to be redundent but .

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7116885#post7116885 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by pledosophy
[BThere are many common causes for GBD. We can help you find the causes if you take the time to list all the equipment used in the tank. Filters, skimmers, powerheads, sumps, bioball, please list it all.

GBD is not one of the diffucult diseases to cure we can help you if you let us.
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The pictures you posted show you use a standpipe and a skimmer. What about the other stuff?

Do you have any microbubbles returning to your tank?

What is the turnover of your system?

What are the tank parameters?

Do you know your 02 level?

GBD has been studied indepth by some great scientists. All of the above are factors involved. I would like to be able to help you but need more information to help.

We can't help you if you don't help yourself.
 
Maybe you should get a bigger sump...that would really help with the micro bubles.

Or add some high micron filter pad material to the return line.
 
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