Arrggghhh now my freakin clown caught it..

[Korrine]

What the heck do you think it is? My Potter's Angel died from it and I think the Potter's brought it in. What do you think?

 

[iFisch]

Aww the Potters didn't make it? No refund either, because it's classified as an "expert only" fish, right? From a little research, it looks like the Potters is a "very delicate shipper" aka 'Post Trauma Collecting Disorder... '

The Potter's is susceptible to pathogenic reef diseases like Crypt and Amyloodinium. Historically the Potter's angel has a lousy survival record in captivity. Likely less than five percent are alive within one month of capture...

Shoot me a PM if you want to talk a little bit more about the Potters.



Anyways...

I'm not very well educated on clown diseases, but it doesn't look good. Brook is the most common, but it can be Crypt as well.


"Crypt/Ich and Amyloodinium can be treated with copper based medications and/or environmental manipulation. Brooklynellosis almost never responds to any treatment not containing formalin/formaldehyde."

You will need to setup a QT tank for all your fish, quickly. ALL fish need to treated. It can transfer from one fish to another, as I believe it is active in the water column (no way to avoid it, really). Once you set at least two up (1 for clown, 1 for the yashi and I think you have 1 other fish), hopefully someone will be able to chime in and give you a definite answer. I believe it's 50/50, because the Potters likely died from Crypt.

 

[Korrine]

I knew the Potter's was a giant gamble...I tried though I failed.

Problem is I can't treat the yasha w/copper b/c it is a goby I can catch the clown, but can't do anything w/the goby. I do have a melanurus wrasse that's in QT in copper already. That's where I put the potter's w/a little less than recommended dose of copper since angels don't tolerate copper as well. The wrasse looks good and is eating well. Hoping it doesn't catch anything from the potter's since it's in copper. Did a wc today and replenished the copper supply taken out by the wc

I was leaning toward ws, crypt.

Freakin sux. I just re-arranged my rockwork catching the angel and really don't want to have to do it again for the clown. grrrr

 

[SlateXIV]

It looks very much like Brooklynella to me. Here is a quick reference to it on another site with photo that looks like the symptoms of your clown http://www.marineaquariumsa.com/showthread.php?t=5914. Make sure to really work hard on water quality in your QT tank while treating. That seems to be what holds a lot of people back when treating fish outside a well established tank with LR is forgetting how quickly the water quality turns without a large biological filter.

 

[Ben_Im]

I would say it's Brook.

Cryptocaryon (Marine Ich) usually has a more dispersed "salted" look. Your clown is looking a bit "fuzzy".

Best of luck with treatment if it's not too late.

 

[iFisch]

I knew the Potter's was a giant gamble...I tried though I failed.

Problem is I can't treat the yasha w/copper b/c it is a goby I can catch the clown, but can't do anything w/the goby. I do have a melanurus wrasse that's in QT in copper already. That's where I put the potter's w/a little less than recommended dose of copper since angels don't tolerate copper as well. The wrasse looks good and is eating well. Hoping it doesn't catch anything from the potter's since it's in copper. Did a wc today and replenished the copper supply taken out by the wc

Just curious, how long did you QT the potters? I have a feeling he was obviously ok at DD, but I believe during the transit from their facility to your home, this problem came upon. You may have not QT'd him long enough.

If it's Brook, you don't have very much time. I would imagine if it's Crpt, you have a bit more time. From what I hear, by the time Brook is noticeable, it's already damaged the fish severely. Almost like having cancer and not knowing about it until it's too late. That's a perfect link above. The problem is it attacks the gills, out. Usually most fish die within a few hours to a few days, depending on how bad the case was.


Crypt:

http://www.3reef.com/forums/diseases/ultimate-saltwater-ich-crypt-info-post-66950.html

"When one fish has it, they all have it".

I too am now slightly leaning towards Crypt. But it looks like Brook.


I wonder if it's safe to dose for Brook & Crypt in the same tank.

 

[Korrine]

No not long enough and I picked up another fish while out of town...so she was in the QT for 2 days. Then moved her and put the wrasse in QT.

I think it's crypt actually. Im sure my clown will die from it. It's totally infested :sad1: As for the goby, time will tell. If they all die I'll leave the tank fallow for at least 8 weeks if not 10-12 to be on the safe side.

 

[iFisch]

No not long enough and I picked up another fish while out of town...so she was in the QT for 2 days. Then moved her and put the wrasse in QT.

I think it's crypt actually. Im sure my clown will die from it. It's totally infested :sad1: As for the goby, time will tell. If they all die I'll leave the tank fallow for at least 8 weeks if not 10-12 to be on the safe side.

Next time - when you try - if you do at all - extremely sensitive fish should be QT'd for 8 weeks, plus.

Do you only have 1 QT? Can you not setup a second, like now? lol




"Brook can only be cured with Formalin. Formalin will also cure Ich. With Formalin, you put the fish in a QT tanks and treat them with 1 hour baths once every other day for 10 days and the fish are cured but not the tank they came out of. You will have to keep the tank fallow for 8 weeks before putting fish back in. The reason is the life cycle of the Ich parasite. Its eggs lay dormant in the substrata of your tank for up to 8 weeks before they hatch and become swimmers. The swimmers must find a host fish within hours or it dies. Brook multiplies by cell division and the new cell becomes a swimmer which can persist in the tank for up to 4 weeks before it dies for lack of a host. Therefore, you MUST wait a full eight weeks before reintroducing fish or they will become reinfected.

 

[Outerbank]

The clown looks heavily infested. I had brook and it took forever to eradicate. I must of did 7 formalyn baths over several months with my clowns. The brook would be set back only to recur. I tried one last desperate measure and tried an experiment with rid ich. Yes, rid ich by Kordon, the blue green liquid many people despise. I chose this product as it contains formaldehyde and malachite green. I thought it would give me an extra punch. I made a bath with one teaspoon of rid ich to a gallon of saltwater. I aerated for 1 hour, then gave the clowns a bath for 30 minutes. This worked as the brook never returned. I posted this 3 years ago, and I don't know if anyone else has tried it.

Interesting, my clowns literally laid on the bottom of my QT for a whole month. They did not eat anything during that time. They survived and are doing great, but I think they have some gill scarring from the formaldehyde treatments. I have had these little tank raised guys for 16+ years now.

 

[Korrine]

Now it can hardly stay upright. I figured it was to late when I saw how badly it was covered last night. Wish I would've acted sooner

Now what to do about the goby....looks just fine. I can't treat it w/copper.

I know iFisch. I just decided not to QT the angel for that long. You know me a lil bit. I read to much. Reading and doing are 2 separate things. Believe me, from now on I'll QT. Even debating on setting up a lil 5g to hold inverts just in case they bring in cysts or free floaters.

 

[MarinaP]

from just looking at your fish, its velvet aka Amyloodinium

 

[iFisch]

Now it can hardly stay upright. I figured it was to late when I saw how badly it was covered last night. Wish I would've acted sooner

Now what to do about the goby....looks just fine. I can't treat it w/copper.

I know iFisch. I just decided not to QT the angel for that long. You know me a lil bit. I read to much. Reading and doing are 2 separate things. Believe me, from now on I'll QT. Even debating on setting up a lil 5g to hold inverts just in case they bring in cysts or free floaters.

Well, QT'ing is very debatable, but for very sensitive fish, either sensitive shippers, fish that are hard to get to eat (some Wrasse/Butterfly fish), etc. I would QT for 8 weeks. It's hard to tell how long the Potters was in DD, to be exactly, but I'm positive they wouldn't sell or ship a fish that was sick or not eating. Which is why they often charge 1.5x as much as it costs than "normal" wild caught (although they do sell some ORA from time to time) fish.

Treating some inverts for problems, can often lead to death. I'd really read up on this before doing this. I don't, nor do I know the part of the 'camp' that QT's everything, do this for inverts.



I hope the goby makes it. How's the shrimp? Any invert losses yet - crabs, snails, etc.?

 

[iFisch]

Korrine, don't let this mishap lead you away from this hobby. I understand it can be tough, because you put a lot of time, money and effort into this. It can be frustrating. Don't let it be. This happens pretty frequently in this hobby, I'm sure you know that.

Just trying to keep you encouraged. :fish1:

 

[Korrine]

Not treating inverts, just holding them to make sure they don't bring in free floaters from netting and water or something.


Oh don't worry about me leaving the hobby

I'm passionately hooked :inlove: :wildone:

 

[Korrine]

The reason I'd set up another QT is b/c this one has had copper in it. That's the only reason. Set up a copper free system where anything that could come in w/the inverts will die b/c it won't have a fishy host.

 

[iFisch]

Oh don't worry about me leaving the hobby

I'm passionately hooked :inlove: :wildone:

Awesome. :bounce1:

 

[Korrine]

After reviewing some more photos I'm thinking brook.

 

[Korrine]

New photos

It looked really bad last night/this morning, but actually looks better now. Really weird.

 

[SlateXIV]

Perhaps it's a fighter! Good luck with any treatment you decide and don't give up hope these guys can surprise you!

 

[Korrine]

Thanks. It is a fighter. Was already sick once. That was with a fuzzy like patch though. Different than this. The fuzz is what the female died from... she was my picasso :sad1::sad2: