Blackworm keeper

Gjk I have never froze them but try it. They die in a minute in seawater anyway.
As long as the fish will eat them dead, they should have the same nutritional value as live worms. Maybe you could split that many worms with a bunch of people or get your LFS to order them. They are profitable for them because they sell them for $2.00 a portion which is about half an ounce.
 
My fish get a few worms just about every day with their other foods.
The only fish that I have that get nothing but worms are some locally caught butterflies that eat nothing else.
 
I'm pretty interested in trying to get a live culture of blackworms going. I've searched all over Quebec and Ontario (I live in Montreal) for blackworms but no one has them for some reason, so I might have to cross the border to get some.

At any rate I know I am reviving an old thread but I should point out something that was mentioned above regarding freezing blackworms incase someone reads this and tries it without looking further. In my search to know more about keeping blackworms I came across this tid-bit of info regarding freezing blackworms

Blackworm fears. Nevertheless, blackworms are very often confused with tubificids (Tubifex and its allied species) and scorned with equal disgust by many well-informed fishkeepers. You may be told that blackworms "transmit diseases" or, with a precision that sounds even more authoritative, that they "carry an intermediate stage in a tapeworm life-cycle," a possibility with wild-caught tubificid worms. Biologists who know blackworms told me, when I asked, that the response to that tale is "No." Joe Gargas (at the killie-talk mailing-list) sent some to a lab for examination and received a report that blackworms do carry their own characteristic co-evolved parasitic nematodes, as all multicellular animals do, but these can't be passed on to fish. Still, blackworms are dissed as "stinky" and suspect, even at that bastion of good fish information www.thekrib.com (click to "Foods"), though Randy Carey gives them a better review at "Randy's Fishroom" (www.characin.com). (click to "Reviews"). I'm with Randy on this. Randy does mention that he inadvertently froze blackworms once, in a metal container in his fish fridge. He thawed them out, and immediately fed them to a number of fishes: still, almost all the fishes died over the next few days. Moral: blackworms must be alive.

It seems the troubles with blackworms themselves come from mass die-off in anaerobic conditions and from feeding dead blackworms. Blackworms do best in darkness, and their metabolism slows if you keep them cool. Blackworms need access to air to be alive when you feed them to fishes. Keep them in a cool room in a wide white ceramic dish in enough water just to keep them covered. Lots of available water surface provides lots of oxygen. I have unhappily drowned them in warm weather in water that was too deep. Every morning, I pour the worms off into a jug and flush them, not too roughly, with tapwater. I let the water gently break up any dense balls of blackworms each time. The temporary pulse of chlorine is okay for blackworms, bad for surficial bacteria. Good worms sink. Dead blackworms turn white. Bad ones, if there are any, float, and I pour off the white floaters, as well as some worms too flaccid to get a grip on their fellows. Then I scrub out their dish. No soap, no bleach, I just scrub it. Finally I barely cover them with chlorine-free water dipped from a plant nursery. If you have some low levels of copper in your tapwater, blackworms may do better in water that's passed through a Brita-type activated carbon filter.

The link is here for anyone that wants to read the info first hand, and I don't know how accurate the info is because I haven't found anything that contradicts it, but it is definately food for thought.
http://www.skepticalaquarist.com/docs/feeding/blackworms.shtml

Lastly, if someone knows where I can get this stuff in canada please let me know. Or if anyone wants to send me some, I'll pay for the shipping!
 
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wow i thought i was the only one on this planet that was feeding blackworms to my sw fish. Glad to know someone else is doing it. I keep mine in a tupperware and they get a 90-100% water change once a week and has been breeding like crazy. My fish love it, i alternate the blackworm with what we normally feed our fish, so it would usually look like:

monday: blackworm
tuesday: PE mysis
wednesday: blackworm
thrusday: hikari mysis
friday: blackworm

my fish havent been healthier ever since i started feeding them the blackworms 2 months ago.
 
I too found Paul's blackworms beneficial. Paul was definitely an inventor. I unfortunately have not concentrated my innovative energy in creating my own constant flow 'contraption'. You can keep blackworms in a 'rubbermaid' style container in 2" of water with no problem so long as you have an air pump. The best thing about these little guys is that for the initial $0.99 container (Lowe's), $4.00 2oz cup of worms (ThatFishPlace), $2.00 pkg of spinach & an old air pump I have a never-ending supply of live food so long as I don't overfeed these or a crash occurs.

One note as Paul mentioned is it truly does take a couple months to achieve a bullet-proof bacteria colony. In the beginning, I was changing water daily. I can now go a couple weeks before the ammonia starts spiking. This timespan is shorter if I gut load the worms before I go away on biz for a week. I prefer not to leave food over that week in my absence, Up to leaving, the water is changed about every 3 days and all food removed before I leave. I don't use paper towels as food/cover as Paul and others have. I have found spinach works fine. Occassionally I supplement with some red marine algae & flake food. Also, they seem to love apple & cucumber. Nuke it for about 20sec until it's mushy and it will be covered with worms in a matter of an hour.

I'm starting to think I should be in BBA (Blackworm Breeders' Anonymous)! Once you start experimenting with these worms, you'll be amazed at how much you can tinker with. Also, I have only seen my clowns hit wax worms harder than blackworms. The wax worms were too much of a pain, as they eventually reach adulthood as moths. Blackworms are always blackworms. The wax worms were definitely a larger meal and probably only suitable for the larger fish species.
 
In my search to know more about keeping blackworms I came across this tid-bit of info regarding freezing blackworms



The link is here for anyone that wants to read the info first hand, and I don't know how accurate the info is because I haven't found anything that contradicts it, but it is definately food for thought.
http://www.skepticalaquarist.com/docs/feeding/blackworms.shtml

"Randy does mention that he inadvertently froze blackworms once, in a metal container in his fish fridge. He thawed them out, and immediately fed them to a number of fishes: still, almost all the fishes died over the next few days. Moral: blackworms must be alive."

Did he feed the frozen woims to freshwater fish or saltwater?

I froze some in the container they came in after pouring off the water.
Weeks later I broke it into chunks and fed them to my fish.
No problems.
They do get a bit soft and messy after freezing though.
 
Did he feed the frozen woims to freshwater fish or saltwater?

I froze some in the container they came in after pouring off the water.
Weeks later I broke it into chunks and fed them to my fish.
No problems.
They do get a bit soft and messy after freezing though.

He thawed the worms and fed them immediately to freshwater fish (it sounds like???).

The article also states:
"But so must lobsters and mussels and oysters, if you want to eat them safely."
How many lobster tails have you had that were 'alive' when you bought them from the store?

These worms die in the SW within 30secs, so I think this debunks this myth for SW fish at least.
 
Paul, You mentioned you started feeding white worms a few months back on one of your threads. Are you still feeding and keeping black worms or are the white worms easier to keep? Maybe both?
 
I feed both black and white worms every day. The white worms are easier to keep but the black worms are much larger.
 
I feed both black and white worms every day. The white worms are easier to keep but the black worms are much larger.

I bought some black worms yesterday and I want to make a trough similar to like what you have done. I have an idea that I'd welcome your opinion on sir. I wonder if the worms would stay alive if I have rodi top off water run into the worm trough and then let the overflow from the trough simply run off into the sump? That would provide a constant replacement of the worm trough water every day and a little bit of worm poop for the tank. I have a 150 gal system and the top off puts out a gallon or two of rodi a day so that should be plenty of turnover. The only thing I can think of that might be a negative (you probably know the answer) is that their won't be as much bacteria in the trough water to break down the paper and what ever else you put in the trough as a food source for the worms. Do you see any issues with trying to do this long term? My thought is that it would be a really simple method and wouldn't take up as much space if I didn't need a tank for this.

Thanks
 
I don't think the water would be moving fast enough for the worms and RO/di water is almost devoid of oxygen. They really need moving water along with surface area.
Shallow water like 1/2" is best but they will live in deep water as long as it is moving so it gets oxygenated.
 
I don't think the water would be moving fast enough for the worms and RO/di water is almost devoid of oxygen. They really need moving water along with surface area.
Shallow water like 1/2" is best but they will live in deep water as long as it is moving so it gets oxygenated.

You are absolutely right so I'll scratch my initial idea. It just seemed like a good idea in my head at the time but now I realized there is more to it. I have some black worms now and after only owning them for a couple of days, I see that they make a lot of worm mucus, and I mean a lot of it! I wouldn't want all that mucus making its way into my DT. I have a spare 10 gal tank and I'll just copy your setup with a tray and a recirculating pump. Thanks for the feedback! :beer:
 
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