Punchanello
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yeah neither am I, we know the climate has varied greatly historically, from ice ages to just the past 2,000 years we've seen great changes in global temps. sometimes much higher, sometimes much lower. I also know/agree that co2 is a green house gas. I think the media and groups are whipping people into a frenzy about it with very little understanding of geoligical timescales and how we have been warming since the last little ice age from 1400-1800 when temps were -1C cooler, it began warming then the volcano went off and sent it right back down... scientists don't even know what started the last ice age, but they believe it was decreased solar activity. But people have convinced everyone that co2 is to blame.. when it only comprises 2% of all green house gases in our atmosphere...
water vapor is 60% of our greenhouse gases.. and scientists aren't sure whether more water vapor would actually cool or heat the earth.. (because evaporation is a cooling effect)..... so.. more heat = more evaporation = more water vapor had the original climate models predicting we'd be 5C warmer than we are... it appears it doesn't have that kind of impact with it's added cooling...
A lot of people like to just repeat what some documentary or one particular scientist out there says.. when there isn't a consensus... 97% of scientists don't believe man is a significant contributor to global warming. A study of climate papers found that around 55% of them stated a position on whether or not man could influence the climate.. -and we clearly can, Phoenix, AZ was lifted from a desert to an arid climate from all of the lawns/golf courses/watering they do there, allowing all sorts of things to live that require a moister climate.... that is a localized climate though. so the study didn't differentiate between local or global climate, it didn't say whether it was a minor or major impact.. but 55% of papers had a position and of those 97% said man had an impact on some form of climate... There was a recent survey of climate scientists that pegs the number that 43% believe that man - through co2- is the primary driver of our climate, and 57% believe other factors are more significant. And both sides of ridiculous extreme examples on why their positions must be correct.. where it's likely somewhere in the middle.. some impact.. unknown how much.. best to minimize it...
-I just like to research and know as much as I can before taking to heart what someone tells me.. I guess it's the skepticism my dad always told me to hold.. never trust what someone in power is telling you....That includes the government and wealthy, and talking heads working for them. carbon credits is a $176 billion/yr business. solar panels is a $350 billion/yr business, wind is quite a bit less, $17 billion, the us government spends 100 billion on climate change credits... And we've spent $94 million on fusion research - the clean nuclear energy.... china and france seem to be getting close.. so.. who is making money here? Who is really bettering our future? Solar/Wind will never meet our energy needs... no matter how much they built. Carbon credits? are those offsets really working?
-Nuclear fusion and hydrogen cars should be our future goals.. yet.. a lot of people are making a lot of money on 1/10th measures... luckily gm, toyota, honda are pushing the hydrogen powered vehicle frontier, and another 10-15 years we'll be there. let's focus our money and time and effort on our real goals here, 0 emission and enough energy to meet our future needs. and I think our current temp situation is a combination of factors, solar activity, lack of large volcanic eruptions in over 20 years, and co2... where we could be sitting at some pretty cool temps in a few years with a massive volcanic eruption or 2 and a decrease in solar activity.. and if that doesn't happen, I for one welcome our reptilian overlords who will thrive in the new climate... while mammals shrink.... and ocean life will continue.. and either new corals or better adapted corals will move in and ocean life will continue... and some islanders might want to head for higher ground... and we'll have longer growing seasons and faster plant growth up to 900-1200ppm co2.... so if food prices aren't low enough yet.. get ready for practically free food... (we have a huge glut of grain/corn/etc right now if you haven't been watching...)
Mate, you're quoting conclusions from Nasif Nahle, well known climate denialist and completely discredited. His area of expertise? Herbal Medicine. I kid you not. Even the graph is dishonest. For a start, the time periods across it are distorted to give the impression of volatility that in reality is no where near as pronounced.
We absolutely now that Co2 is primarily responsible for global warning and it is driven by fossil fuels, industrialisation and mass farming techniques (especially beef).
