cheap,easy, and safe method of calcium supplementation

acrohead500ppm

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If you have an ro/di system this is for you its a alternitive to kalkwasser, reactor, or expensive two part chemicals.
good ro/di water has a ph of around 6 so take advantage of it.
take a 3 ft piece of lg diameter pvc piping threaded on each side with removable endcaps
drill a hole the diameter of the ro/di line in both endcaps
silicone the ro/di line it to one end cap watertight.
screaw on the other endcap
place a fine screen inside the pvc tube and fill with rinsed agronite
screw on the feed line place in bucket or collection tub

you now have a semi calcium reactor the ph of the ro/di being 6
slowly dissolves the agronite into the water resulting in a
calcium level of aroud 370ppm it been working great for me for 3 years my frags grow incredably fast and tests are always right on the money
best regards coralphreak
 
Interesting. So it sounds like you've basically made a DIY calcium reactor. Do you just use this as top-off, do you use it to mix salt water for water changes, or both? What sort of calcium levels are you maintaining in your tank using this method? Truthfully, it seems a little too simple to be true, but hey, if it's been working for you. . .
 
i use it for both and I test calcium x1 a week in my tanks and they always range from 375ppm and 450ppm yes it is simple and it works wonders i was recommended this idea from a freind who had a coral green house
 
i use it for both and I test calcium x1 a week in my tanks and they always range from 375ppm and 450ppm yes it is simple and it works wonders i was recommended this idea from a freind who had a coral green house
 
i use it for both and I test calcium x1 a week in my tanks and they always range from 375ppm and 450ppm yes it is simple and it works wonders i was recommended this idea from a freind who had a coral green house
 
i use it for both and I test calcium x1 a week in my tanks and they always range from 375ppm and 450ppm yes it is simple and it works wonders i was recommended this idea from a freind who had a coral green house
 
whoa, can't believe i never thought about that... that would work wouldn't it... but wouldn't it drop your ph a lot...
 
possibly it could lower your ph, however it would be putting out about the same ph as a calcium reactor and about the same speed. when mixed with a marine mix the ph would be buffered up as normal.

ill have to try this idea and see if its feasible.
 
did you test the effluent from the ro water. i thought that a calcium reactor had to use salt water not fresh water. not trying to be a sideline skeptic or anything just curious as to the ppm of cal from the fresh water.
 
WOW... thats awsome & cheap at that. So, if you have argonite in your display does it eventually disolve also?
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8732987#post8732987 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Jasonf08
WOW... thats awsome & cheap at that. So, if you have argonite in your display does it eventually disolve also?

You better hope your tank PH doesnt go down to 6 or your going ot have a big problem :)
 
So let me get this straight, you hook the RO/DI unit to this big piece of PVC filled with media, and hook that to a float valve and replace the evap with effluent from the "ro Reactor". The effluent would have to be pretty darn potent I would think.

One more thing, how could you tune this to your system?? If its putting too much Ca/Alk into your water, you cant very well cut back on your top off water to reduce it. So do you have to use some kind of by-pass system so only a portion of the top off is effluent or something?? I just dont see how you could accurately tune something like this :(
 
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This is not a very useful method to supplement calcium and alkalinity because almost none of the media will dissolve

Just a tiny bit of CaCO3 dissolves, and the pH rises and no more dissolves. In a reactor, the CO2 keeps the pH down and allows more to dissolve. That does not happen here.

I discuss it here:

Calcium Carbonate as a Supplement
http://www.advancedaquarist.com/issues/july2002/chem.htm

from it (the equations cannot be pasted here) so reading the link may be better):

Dissolution of CaCO3 in Water Prior to Addition

The best way, in my opinion, to use calcium carbonate as a supplement is to dissolve it in fresh water prior to addition. In this sense, it can be used rather like limewater. One can rig up an automatic evaporation replacement system using appropriate pumps and float switches, and just use water saturated with CaCO3 instead of limewater. Alternatively, one can simply pour the saturated water into the tank each day. Unfortunately, the fact that you can add it this way is a mixed blessing. One reason that you can add it this way is that there is so little present that the carbonate does not drive up the pH too much.

So how much goes into solution? This question is rarely addressed directly, and it is because of one big complication: carbon dioxide from the atmosphere. In the case of limewater, it is partially destroyed by atmospheric carbon dioxide (producing insoluble CaCO3 from the dissolved calcium and hydroxide). In the case of calcium carbonate, however, the solubility is actually increased by mixing with carbon dioxide. The reason that the solubility is increased is that the carbon dioxide enters the water, becomes carbonic acid (equation 1), and largely combines with carbonate ions to form two bicarbonate ions (equation 2):

1.
2.

The net effect is that the concentration of carbonate ions declines: since the solubility of calcium carbonate is governed by the multiplication product of the calcium and carbonate concentrations (equation 3), more calcium carbonate can dissolve to regain saturation.

3.

Knowing the Ksp and some other constants, it is a textbook calculation to determine how much calcium carbonate can dissolve in pure water in the absence of atmospheric carbon dioxide. Pankow (Aquatic Chemistry Concepts; 1991) carries out this calculation for calcite (a slightly less soluble form of calcium carbonate than aragonite).

For those really interested in the chemical details, this calculation is actually much more complicated than it would first appear (i.e., more complicated than for a simple salt like NaCl). You cannot simply solve equation 3 for [Ca++] and [CO3--]. You need to take into account the fact that some of the carbonate that comes from dissolution will be converted into bicarbonate (HCO3-) and even carbonic acid (H2CO3). This conversion permits more CaCO3 to dissolve before the carbonate concentration rises too high to dissolve any more. One also needs to take into account the fact that calcium can exist as CaOH+, which effectively lowers the calcium concentration (though not very extensively at pH values below 11).

From this calculation, we find that the solution at equilibrium contains about 6 ppm calcium and 0.3 meq/L alkalinity, and results in a pH of 10.0. If we correct this result for aragonite instead of calcite (which is slightly more soluble), we get about 10 ppm calcium and 0.5 meq/L alkalinity, with a pH of just over 10 (which is what about what I got when I initially dissolved both AragaMIGHT and Southdown aragonite sand in RO/DI water). For comparison, full strength limewater contains about 820 ppm calcium and 41 meq/L alkalinity.

The calculation is even more involved when atmospheric carbon dioxide is allowed to enter the system. Thankfully, Pankow has again done the calculations for us. In equilibrium with normal atmospheric carbon dioxide, the solubility is increased by about a factor of 3, with the alkalinity about 1 meq/L and the calcium about 20 ppm. In this case, the pH drops to about 8.3 as the carbon dioxide enters the system. Confirming Pankow’s calculation, this result is about what I got when I let both AragaMIGHT and Southdown aragonite sand sit in RO/DI water for a few days). Still, these calcium and alkalinity values are about 40X lower than for saturated limewater, so are likely not enough to satisfy the needs of most reef tanks.

At one point I had the bright idea of adding aragonite to seltzer (soda water) bought at the grocery store to really boost the solubility and maybe have a nice, liquid additive. Seltzer has far more carbon dioxide in it than water in contact with normal air (which is why it goes flat when open), and that extra carbon dioxide will cause a great deal more calcium carbonate to dissolve (at 3.5 atmospheres CO2, the solution would contain more than 10 meq/L alkalinity and would be similar to limewater in potency, but much lower in pH). If only I had been able to mix them…… Instead, it ended up a science experiment for the kids, with the added aragonite sand providing a perfect surface for the carbon dioxide to turn into the gas phase and erupt from the bottle as a fountain of water, gas, and sand!
 
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8733252#post8733252 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Randy Holmes-Farley
This is not a very useful method to supplement calcium and alkalintiy because almost none of the media will dissolve

Thx for the explaination Randy :P. I guess we all wont be building massive Media towers after all :P
 
Hi, i always keep CaribSea Aragonite in my Top-off reservoir. It doesnt come anywhere near providing all the calcium and buffer the system needs but it DOES help buffer the top off water water and adds a little calcium as stated above much better than me by Randy :).
 
I read about a public aquarium using a simple pass reactor (no co2). They used substrate as media and a very large tower with moderate flow through. That was all they were using and it did the job for them.
 
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