EcoTech Marine VorTech MP40 Release Information

[King-Kong]

Having a 1 month old Seio 1500 magnet crack after disconnecting is the reason I bought the vortech. I was tired of playing games everytime I unplugged my Seios (all 4 of them.. 2x 1500 and 2x 1100).

However, that is my ONLY concern in using a Seio. I'd like GSchiemer to find a report on this board of a Seio killing an entire tank. I know I have never seen or heard of one.

 

[jnarowe]

I don't see why there is a need to hammer on someone's vocabulary or the use of it. To me, it is slightly childish.

Well, first off because he was trying to troll the thread and accusing everyone else including me of being what you call a "fanboi". I am in no way like that and have been quite vocal while being understanding (I hope) about the problems I have encountered with the Vortechs.

Only I didn't have them first. I actually bought the third generation from what I understand and hoped the bugs would have been worked out by then. I do have a special situation in that I have fairly high amp equipment and that may have caused the driver failures I expereienced. We won't really know until the Eco-Tech team can determine what really happened.

And I quote again for your reference:

but as i can see no one on this thread wants to be objectional in anyway towards this product.

That my friend is objectionable, at least to me, since I have spent quite a bit of my energy being objective about the Vortech pumps in this thread.

 

[GSchiemer]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8013873#post8013873 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by chad508
key words "turn the pump down." why put a $350 pump in if a pump 1/4 the cost will do.

That's the point. A "pump 1/4 the cost" will not be nearly as effective as the Vortech in a smaller setup. For example, in my 42 hex reef aquarium, I replaced two Maxijets with a single Vortech pump and the difference has been remarkable. I'm using less electricity, the water temperature dropped, and I have a stronger and better quality of flow throughout the aquarium. A Seio wouldn't work in my setup either because the flow can't be adjusted and the flow pattern is too narrow for the width of my aquarium. It would also take up half the aquarium. Same issue with the Tunze, even though the flow can be controlled. The broad flow pattern of the Vortech allows it to be used in relatively small aquariums, which is something you can't do effectively with "pumps 1/4 the cost."

I think we've beat this issue to death. You've stated your case and indicated that you didn't think the Vortech was a wise purchase for smaller reef aquariums. A number of aquarists, including myself, that have actually used the Vortech in smaller reefs have stated otherwise. Let's not belabor the point.

BTW, do you even own a Vortech? Have you taken it out of the box?

 

[davidh202]

All objections aside, Eco-Tech's concept is revolutionary, and very desirable. The simple facts of no added heat in the tank and never having to worry about stray voltage is enough to sell me on the pumps.
Despite this I will still be waiting for the kinks to be worked out before I buy. I said earlier in this thread that I have learned from experience to not buy a new model year of any product.I highly commend Tim and his team for their outstanding customer support, but I believe all the current owners have essentially been beta testing.
I know there was great pressure to release the pumps to the marketplace but I think there should have been more time allocated for testing. As far as price,I believe that once the bugs are worked out they will be worth every penny.
As with any product, supply and demand dictate the price. Though our hobby continues to grow in numbers of enthusiasts,
there is still a relatively small market for this product and it is not cheap to bring a new product to market and cover costs let alone make a profit.

 

[jjac]

jnarowe - Why don't you actually open up the dictionary before trashing someone's use of a word.... deedeedee

Webster's New Millenniumâ"žÂ¢ Dictionary of English - Cite This Source
Main Entry: objectional
Part of Speech: adjective
Definition: pertaining to objection; open to objection, objectionable
Webster's New Millenniumâ"žÂ¢ Dictionary of English, Preview Edition (v 0.9.6)
Copyright © 2003-2005 Lexico Publishing Group, LLC

 

[jnarowe]

jjac: I stand corrected. Neither of my dictionaries have that word in it nor have I ever heard it used in speech by anyone except someone drunk.

Even the RC spell checker doesn't recognize it. Nor does Microsoft Outlook and Wordperfect. I guess it's a New Millenium word! Of course, my son is studying countries I never heard of either.

Sorry chad508!

The premise of no one in the thread making negative comments about the Vortech pump is still untrue. Particularly as it relates to me.

 

[NexDog]

Sheesh, am I witnessing the demise of a thread?

 

[wfgworks]

Come on guys, lets get back on track.

No need to continue the bashing and add more pages to this thread that arent needed.

 

[chad508]

jnarowe, what objections have you had towards the pump? the only thing i see anyone say about them is the fact that the shaft breaks, the wet frame spins, the motor locks up, and the controller flashes red lights. the only problem i had out of my pump was the wet frame spinnning. and with the new gasket that has been resolved.

and what problem are any different than seio. for starters i have 7 seios in my tanks at home. none of which have cracked our nucked my tanks. they do lock up when power is cut, but so what it gives me a chance to pull it out and clean it.

so lets get back to the question at hand, will there be a deflector of some sort?

and for the last D*** time,

YES I HAVE TWO OF THESE PUMPS

 

[GSchiemer]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8016602#post8016602 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by chad508

so lets get back to the question at hand, will there be a deflector of some sort?

and for the last D*** time,

YES I HAVE TWO OF THESE PUMPS

and for the last D*** time,

A deflector isn't necessary due to the broad flow pattern of the Vortech. Why would I want to concentrate the flow? It defeats one of the major advantages of this pump. If you're interested in concentrating the flow from a pump, save some money and buy a standard powerhead.

 

[wfgworks]

I agree with GSchiemer about the deflector.

I run 2 6100 Tunze streams and a Vortech in my 180.

The flow pattern of the Vortech is very wide so I dont see a need for a deflector. I dont see what a deflector would accomplish.

 

[davidh202]

Concentrating the flow is not the issue at hand here, but rather being able to direct the flow slightly off the 90 degree axis would be a very nice feature. A few narrow shutters would do the trick.

BTW nitpicking about definitions is a little anal. If half the spelling and typing on the boards were graded, many would fail. I don't think that is the intent of these forums!

 

[wfgworks]

The thing is if you angle the flow, you will not get the variable flow you get now. It will turn into a more concentrated flow because you are redirecting it.

I get what your saying though.

 

[jnarowe]

Well, in my application, I am very happy with the flow and in particular how it occilates. In a smaller display, there may be some value in redirecting the flow, but that would, I am sure, negate much of the value of the way the Vortech is designed. There are so many power heads available that offer the opportunity to point the flow in a particular direction, so I don't think it is really in the interests of Eco-Tech or the customers to spend much effort in that direction.

When I initially read about this pump, I had a similar concern and thought it would be nice to have a corner mount option, but in reality that is just not possible with the way the Vortech operates. Now that I have 4 of them on my tank, I realize that there is just simply no need to mess with the direction of the flow. These pumps churn the water at such a high degree that my entire 8' x 5' tank is well serviced by the 4 pumps. To me, there are much more important issues to contend with, especially the rattling some have experienced and, at least in my case, the inability to use the pump with my Neptune Controller. Those are the biggest issues I have to resolve.

 

[jay24k]

In my tank, I have a coral that would be about 7 inches away from the output. Would this pump tear into that coral or is it gentle enough where it wouldn't bother? It's a big cap. Could I put the pump more near the front pane and not worry about me losing flow or will it deflect off fine?

 

[jnarowe]

I have pondered that issue too but I find that the flow is fairly gentle a short distance away. It really depends on the coral for sure and I don't think placing the pump closer to the front pane would result in much loss of flow. In a 180 you are going to get plenty of mixing IMO.

 

[GSchiemer]

I agree with Jonathan. Since the flow is so widespread, you can position corals fairly close to the Vortech without fear of shearing, but a lot depends upon the type of coral. Most Acropora and Montipora would be fine.

Greg

 

[Philwd]

I have 1 coral that is down to the right of my pump. The flow is so wide that coral got more flow than before; lots more. The bushy polyps are not extending like before. I will probably move the pump up to the left another inch or so. Every other coral in my tank loves them. Corals that would get blasted by my Tunze if it moved at all don't have any problem with the Vortech's flow.

 

[jnarowe]

Philwd: That's interesting. I noticed significantly more polyp extension after I installed the Vortechs but all I had running before is one Hammerhead for return flow.

 

[Philwd]

Its just that one coral. Just so happens its one of my favs so I will move the pump a little to get back some of the PE. I had hoped it would adjust over time but not so far. I may also try your trick of moving the solid part of the frame to align with that corals position.