Gassy WC GSM question

jaybro

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About 6 weeks ago I purchased a wild caught GSM pair. The female is about 6 inches (nose to end of spine) and well colored/barred, fins in good shape. Eating well, quite active and has good/normal interactions with her mate.

Within two days of acquiring this pair she developed a skin infection of some type, stringy feces and was fairly lethargic. I treated with Maryacin and hexamit and she recovered very quickly (as a side note, the pair also got the usual formalin bath I give all WC clowns before going in QT). I allowed 4 weeks between the end of treatment before removing the pair from the QT tank. No symptoms of any type were apparent during that time frame. On the contrary, her slight fin damage healed right up, her appetite returned with a vengeance and she developed a very entertaining habit of playing with the bubbles from the sponge filter in her QT tank. In fact, she would play with the bubbles nonstop during daylight hours, with the exception of the time she would spend feeding. The male remained healthy throughout.

Yesterday I placed them into their new home. It's a 30 gallon tank dedicated to them but part of a much larger system. She is still very active and has a great appetite and is behaving towards her mate as expected. My problems is this...

She appears to be much more buoyant than she should be. I don't 'think' it is a swim bladder problem as she has no trouble maintaining her orientation. She quite simply, has to swim way too hard to descend in the water column. Once she reaches her destination on the bottom of the tank, she clearly has difficulty maintaining it and inevitably ends right back up at the surface. I 'think' this behaviour was the same in quarantine towards the end but I didn't really notice it as she was spending so much time chasing the bubbles around and they inevitably go 'up' too.

So... I really don't think this is a typical swim bladder problem based on her having no problems keeping her orientation. I don't' think it's a respiratory problem causing her to go to the surface either, as she does not have any rapid breathing.

I HAVE noticed that she is gassy. i.e. bubbles escaping more than I'm used to seeing, from her anus. Not a huge amount, but enough that I've noticed it. She is not swollen and as mentioned previously, her appetite is good. So I'm left with two thoughts.
1) She has some sort of internal bacterial infection causing her to generate too much gas and this is causing her buoyancy problems.
2) (I don't THINK this could be it but I thought it deserved mentioning) She may have been eating all those bubbles she was playing with, and the consumed gas has yet to work it's way through her system.

This isn't an emergency as she is otherwise very healthy and active however I'd like to hear back from anyone who has any ideas on what this may be, and what I should consider doing for treatments. Obviously if it's number 2 above, it should be gone shortly. As a side note I would have thought that the hexamit/Maryacin mix would have taken care of any internal issues that could possibly generate such a problem in her.
 
beans? :D sorry lol. well ive never seen my clownfish fart so it could be option number two. sit back for awhile and see if it doesnt go away.
 
I'm feeding her the same things I am my other 38 bloodstock clowns, and beans aren't in the menu. :) (she gets a mix of spirulina flake/argent cyclops-eeze flake/base flake twice a day, cyclops-eeze, mysis, brine, nhbs and a homebrew which is their main staple for their third feeding of the day which includes a mishmash of fresh seafood and prepared products/vitamins all blended together).

She still chases after, and eats, any bubble that appears but as she's out of QT there aren't very many bubbles in her current tank (no airstones/sponge filters etc... in the main tanks). In addition, she has all ready 'recovered' after a very gassy afternoon. She now has and maintains her correct buoyancy. As the 'recovery' was so fast, I'm inclined to think that it was in fact the bubbles that she was gorging on that caused the problem. I'll have to remember that if she ever needs to go into a hospital tank for any reason as I'd think long term, a gut full of gas wouldn't be a good thing for fish!

I'll post again if the problem returns in the next few days, as then it will have to be a different cause. In the meantime, thanks for the responses.
 
Jaypro,

The reason I asked about food is because I have had some pink skunks eat like mad and become very bouyant. Much like they swallowed a cork. I would suspect if you are feeding alot of flake/pellet that these foods will trap more air than frozen and might make your maroon float; however, when I saw this in skunks it was with frozen foods. I am sure your maroon is fine and no its not a gas issue, its a bouyancy issue.
 
Hrmmm the problem continues. It's most definitely gas in her digestive tract that is causing the bouyancy, I just can't figure the source of the gas out yet. She continues to get 'gassy' and bouyant, then very visably releases the gas and returns to a neutral bouyancy. However, it's not related to swallowing the bubbles (which she LOVES to do!) as there is no serious source of bubbles in her current tank. It's interesting to watch the problem slowly develop through out the day as she gets more and more bouyant, and then release the gas and return to normal. I've kept an eye on her feedings due to your post above morgman, and it's not directly related to the amount of food consumed at one time (i.e. it doesn't develop directly after a feeding when she is 'most' gorged). Perhaps she is having a reaction to one of the various foods she gets.

Regardless, it can't be healthy in the long run and I'm concerned about what this may be doing to her digestive tract (or what's wrong with it in the first place). I'm going to take her tank offline from the mainsystem and start soaking her food in pipzine and a general antibiotic. I'm also going to cut her back to just eating the flake mix for a while. If it doesn't clear up after one cycle of pipzine/antibiotics, I'll try switching her off of the flake only diet she is about to start, and onto a different diet for a week. Eventually, if it's diet related, I should be able to isolate it. If it's not, hopefully the antibiotic/pipzine will clear it up. I'll let you know how it goes. Let me know if you think of any other ideas Morgman.

Thanks!

Oh, btw I'm going to try and take a movie of her where she is overly bouyant, and then releasing the gas and returning to normal. It's interesting in a clinical sense, humorous in a juvenile sense, and worriesome in an 'I love my clowns' sense! So, should be worth documenting/sharing.
 
I would advise against the flake only diet. She will need meaty foods and if you feed something like mysis you are limiting what she is ingesting as opposed to flake which is a mixture of foods. Flake/spirulina also has a high vegetative volume which can cause gas... It would be interesting to see if diet change alone could fix this issue, but for the sake of your fish I too agree with your anitbiotic/anitparasitic treatment. It will be interesting to see what you find. I had an ocellaris that did the same thing minus the bubble eating, but she later became ill and went through FW dips and copper and is fine now so I will never know exactly what she had.
 
Your points about the vegetative content of flake are quite valid so... I guess I'll try removing the flake from her diet first, and replacing with more of the frozen mix-mish-mash I normally feed at night. This won't give her a single food source like I was trying to do for purposes of identifying the problem, but thinking back, I agree that if it's diet related, the flake is the most likely culprit. Consequently I'll try the frozen mix for a week instead and see what happens. I also realize your suggesting that I use JUST frozen mysis (for instance) not the mix. However, I'm concerned about limiting her diet that much when her digestion is clearly out of whack. If that doesn't fix the problem by the time the first cycle of meds are done, I'll try limiting it further.

Thanks!
 
Just an update... this problem has gone away. I can't really contribute the recovery to any specific medications or food choices. The problem just went away slowly over a period of two weeks, regardless of what remedy or diet I tried.
 
Hi Jay,
I have a clown from my breeding efforts that is doing what yours did. She tries mightily to swim to the bottom of the tank, and as soon as she slows down, she pops back up like a cork.

I am feeding her Otohime, along with 50 of her siblings, but she is the only one with the problem. She is also one of the larger clowns from that hatch. Any further thoughts about what may be happening and how to prevent it?
 
flake foods are notorious for causing this in fish, from what I have heard they have a lot of air in them and feeding from the surface only aggravates the condition. if she ever does this again take a picture, nothing breaks the ice at a party like a fish fart story.
::smacks forhead:: damn, I am such a geek
 
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