Going to try One And Only Nitrifying Bacteria by Dr Tim's Aquatics

[f3honda4me]

I would agree, but some of the comments are taken too far. Here are some examples:

Should we bash walmart for selling cast nets because a lot of innocent bait fish die in the process of catching bait.

Or maybe just ban sport fishing around the world due to the pain that black marlin and red snapper have to endure from a fish hook.

Perhaps we should all quit eating shrimp because so many innocent animals are caught in the nets and suffer or die because we Americans love to eat shrimp.

Should I quit mowing my yard because of the wild flowers that are having their sex organs ripped out by my lawnmower blades.

I'm hoping by now you're seeing how ridiculous I'm sounding, which is my point about those who are bashing the poor guy that took the advice of a PHD and advanced reef aquarist who stated on his product to use fish or ammonia to get the cycle going. He has stated that the levels are so low...that the fish aren't put through the suffering of your typical cycle.

These are all strawman arguments, none of which is even close to being an apples to apples comparison here.

 

[snakeklr]

Sorry all for the delay, been a busy week at work. been adding a cpl corals here and there, still more at the babysitters .

update today, again my appologies for the delay

so 7 days running!

All is GREAT!


Level test
Calcium CA2 +500ppm
Carbonate KH 179 ppm
Phosphates PO3/4 0.5 same last 0.5ppm
Nitrite NO2- oppm Last 0ppm same
Nitrate NO3- 10ppm Last 0ppm up
Amonia Zero!
salinity 1.025/6 ish
temp bouncing between 78-82, (trying

Well Gotten some corrals added, Colt tree, zenia, mushrooms, more zoa's. 2 turbo snails, 168 nassaurus snails ( just came in today) just introduced. No fishes. been looking or deciding on which tang i want to get.

The hair algea is going, Turbo's been working on that. Now I am getting Cayno, Yuck! but good sign, normally that happens at the 3 month stage, so something is kicking in there. Starting to see coraline on the dry rock pieces. Weird ! So now working on celan up crew and playing with the corals. so far all softies, no lps or sps yet. My last go round LPS was good, but sps never survived. I may try again Duno, may just stay with softies and lps's.

Local Club member came by, he said he couldnt beleive in the short time how it has advanced, So guess the Dr Tim's worked even expired.

Next additions I want to work on is a skimmer, a RO/DI, Some powerheads, and some Cheato to the sump. After I get the power heads I will redo the plumbing and put a smaller pump in so it is not so noisey and make everyone happy around the house.
Oh and a fan system to work on coolling the tank down a cpl degrees. or maybe the smaller pump will fix that.

all in all I am very happy with the performance and how Dr Tim's worked.

Also forgot to tell everyone the clowns are schooling together all happy, The Engineer Gobies are happy as well.

 

[snakeklr]

update I was in the hospital for a week not a vacation i wanted.

So the tank is doing Great! all inhabitants are happy swiming around, corals are growing and probagating. I bought two RBTA's and they are having fun.

The bad been fighting Cyano, been trying to clean it up. I bought a couple Mollie's to do that work. I read an article they like to eat it, and yes they do. They love the stuff. 2 days almost all gone.


Level test


Phosphates PO3/4 0.5 same last 0.5ppm
Nitrite NO2- oppm Last 0ppm same
Nitrate NO3- 5ppm Last 5ppm down
Amonia Zero!
salinity 1.025/6 ish
temp bouncing between 78-82, (trying to cool it down. I need to change the return pump and lower the flow rate)

I found 2 tangs living together at the local fish place, a nice looking sailfin and a lemon peel tang. I bought both. They swim and play all around the tank.
The hair algea is gone. I bought some Cheato to work the phosphates, seems like it worked.

Added a Etss skimmer, still in break in mode, but skimming getting some green fluid out of it. was interesting dialing it in. just add the media balls, used to playing with flow valves. Also got a powerhead to move some circulation to a dead spot in the tank i have been noticing.

But with all the rookie mistakes i have tried to do on purposs and some unknown mistakes. I started with a sterile system, used cleaned tank, all new sand, dry LR and base rocks, new water, fish and corals. In 1 month the system looks like it has been up and running a year. Only thing I have not tried is LPS or SPS. But for a new reefer wanting to do a jump start and put a system up and have it runing overnight yes the Dr Tim's worked great even expired. I have done all the rookie mistakes what not's to do's and a couple i didnt know about and the system is still thriving. I have always had a back up system in the house a place to house for emergencies. I think I dont need that now. Unless I give up.

All in all Thank you Dr Tim's it works! 1 month and looks 1 year old. My levels have stayed in check and balanced out. nothing jumped or bounced around out of level. And I tried to do things on purpose to see what it would do and it took all my abuse.

 

[snakeklr]

Thought I would show how it has progressed.

 

[NMC]

Glad it seems to be working out for you. Just a general comment though, keeping in mind I know nothing about Dr. Tim's bacteria or its effectiveness: The fact that someone has a PHD does not bestow them with instant credibility, especially when they are selling a product and making money. I work with a lot of "initials" and it all comes down to the individual, regardless of what initials they attach to their names. Having a PHD doesn't make one honest, doesn't make one free from greed, doesn't do anything to correct the many human failings and character flaws encountered in people in all walks of life. If it doesn't make sense, the fact that the salesman is charming or articulate doesn't make it make sense regardless of the initials they add to their signature. I have not seen or heard this Dr. Tim or know anything about him, so I'm not critiqueing him or his product, just saying the fact that he has a PHD shouldn't impress as he is MAKING MONEY with this stuff.

 

[snakeklr]

I am not stating it should work with his credentials. I never mentioned his credentials. I am stating that all I have read or heard is using this with a couple fish. I started it with fish and corals, then i tried to do all the mistakes a rookie/new reefer would have done(which is what I did when I started). I have not read anywhere about starting it with corals, or that many fish. I wanted to see how it worked. Now with 1 month down it has worked beyond what I expected.

Nowhere did I mention about his credentials, or said Dr Tim said it will work. I just tried it from a local reefers sugestion. I did not know this was out on the market. But with all the negatives and coments from everyone, I am saying all is well and the corals are growing, fish are happy, and my levels have stayed balanced.

 

[Buzz1329]

Cool. Dr. Tim's allows you to stock a new tank with no live rock almost instantaneously. And you don't need an RO/DI filter because your phosphates will drop from 2.0 to 0.5 as soon as someone says your phosphates are too high. Four clowns will school happily together, like the proverbial lion cavorting with the lambs. Yay!

And BTW, I actually used the product when setting up my current tank. But I started with lots of cured live rock from another reefers tank and added the stuff as a precaution. No cycle but that does not mean that the product prevented the cycle. Post hoc, does not necessarily mean ergo propter hoc. Just saying.

 

[NMC]

@ Snakelr: Didn't necessarily mean you....several people went on about his PHD. Only thing in that last post specifically directed at you was the "glad it seems to be working out for you." I can see where maybe that wasn't clear, sorry.

 

[asonitez]

i just started a tank myself and used Dr. Tims. its a 150 gallon with brand new LS and LR from ReefRocks. I used 16oz's of Dr. Tims and also used about 20/30lbs of Cured Live Rock from my old tank in the sump area as my Ammonia/Bacteria source. I did not add any ammonia or fish. I have yet to see any of my levels approach toxic levels. I'm amazed actually as the rock and sand are just as beautifully white as the day I put them in. I did get some clouding one day and that was it. Probably no algae from my running the tank blacked out but imho Dr. Tim's worked for me.

 

[tandldel]

My experience with Dr Tim's was excellent. He works with large aquariums around the world and is reputable not a snake oil guy. That being said you can cycle the tank using ammonia drops that they will provide for you. It is very easy to do and works great with no risk to animals. Does take a little more effort than just popping the fish in the tank though. For someone like myself who wanted to go with dry rock to avoid hitch hikers (pros and cons for another thread) this was a great alternative and a solid one.

 

[Humuhumunuku]

And BTW, I actually used the product when setting up my current tank. But I started with lots of cured live rock from another reefers tank and added the stuff as a precaution. No cycle but that does not mean that the product prevented the cycle. Post hoc, does not necessarily mean ergo propter hoc. Just saying.

I have not used Dr. Tim's Products. I do not know Dr. Tim. What i do know is a logical fallacy when I see one. As Buzz pointed out, you have not shown anything other than your fish did not die. You might have had the same results without Dr. Tims, and will never know.

I also read a handful of Dr. Tim's published papers. He definitely knows how to identify bacteria in an aquarium, and where each species is found, but that does not necessarily translate to knowing how to put those bacteria in a little bottle and having them instantly grow in someones aquarium faster than whatever was already in there.

Dr. Tim may be completely honest. His product might work. But just because you can do something like add fish day one, doesn't mean you should.

I believe Pink Floyd said it best: "You've got to be trusted, by the people that you lie to" no one ever thought "man this guy seems like a shark... I'm going to buy his stuff"

Stay skeptical!

 

[ddawson]

I tried it a few months ago. Fresh live rock shipped over night.

I was trying to save as much as life as possible. It didn't work and I still had a huge ammonia and nitrite.

I added it as the ammonia was starting to climb but it still went off the chart followed two weeks later with a nitrite spike that lasted about 2.5 weeks.

 

[godzen]

Currently cycling my 65 tank with new cured live rocks and base rocks. Also three fishes and assorted small number of snail and an emerald crab. Didn't want to start out with fishes too fast but package included them. After two weeks, fishes are doing fine. Plan on adding Dr. tim soon to make this process even faster. A lot of old timer on this thread needs to open up their mind a little bit. Read this thread and it makes me chuckle about all the animal activist. God, ever take a pill when you're ill? Those were probably tested on animals. This freaking country (good ol USA) is a addicted to pills for every little things. I know cuz I work in healthcare. I'm sure many animals were test subjects.

 

[pgr11]

I used it on my new 265 tank using all live sand mainly old live rock that was out of water for months and brs eco rock and a little rock from my old established tank. Tank ran for a week with out the one and only when it came I added it and dosed the amonia they sent with it 2 days later all 0 added again this time only to 2ppm waited 2 days and all 0 another dose of ammonia and tested the next day all 0. Added some chromis waited 3 days with no change and transfered all the livestock from the old tank still all 0. Seemed to work well for me

 

[mrdss]

Waste of TIME

Waste of TIME

I have set up a new 120g system. Added the dry LR and crushed coral, sand, subtrate. getting the temp up, salinity. I ordered the Dr Tim's one and only auto cycle stuff to do my system. I am curious if anyone on reef central has used it. My plan is 120g to add the one and only, 4 clowns, and a soft zoa to start the cycle. plan to test levels day before test. at test, day after test, and if needed continued till it leveled out. From the video i saw of it seemed nice easy way instead of waiting a month to two months for a cycle to finish.

Don't listen to anyone that has more then 1000 posts on any forum they are a waste of bandwidth and nothing more.

 

[mrdss]

tank

tank

I had closed down the marine system and went freshwater. It was only suppose to be a few months until moving. Seeing that we would no be moving any time soon and not liking the look of a freshwater system I went back to marine.

I took everything out of the tank fish, plants etc. and took them in for a store credit.

I bought a bucket of salt and dumped about half a bucket in the tank. I put in 50 pounds of argonite sand. I turned the heater on as I normally do not use it to warm up the water and added some prime.

the NEXT day I added about 15 pounds of my previous live rock that was being held in a fellow reefers tank. Again I added prime.

The next day I went to fish store and picked up an Elephant ear coral and added Prime to the tank.

Three days later I again went to the fellow reefer who was holding the remainder of my livestock.

I put in my previous live stock and again some Prime.

1. Magnificent Anemone
2. Carpet Anemone
3. Ritari Anemone
4. 2 Fire Clowns
5. 1 Clarki Clown

Three days later I picked up 2 tomato clowns and again prime.

Three days later I picked up 2 O.C clowns and a small toadstool.

1. I do NOT do water changes.
2. My water comes straight out of the tap along with weekly tap ups, I use prime when doing top ups.
3. When I need to add salt to bring up levels I put water from the tap in a bucket add amount of salt that I need and mixe it by hand for a few seconds until salt dissolves. I add prime to the bucket of water and dump it into the tank.
4. I do not have and " EXTRA TANK " ( sump ).
5. I run an aquaclear 110 24 hours and a red sea prizim skimmer 8 hours a day on a 90 gallon tank.
6. I do not have thousands of dollars in lighting and only 48 t8 and six marine land underwater led tubes.

Hope that helps you and you should be fine with they way you want to go.

 

[mrdss]

Coral

Coral

There is a local guy around here who sells HIGH END coral.

I could not believe it when I saw that all he was using was a hang back skimmer and nothing else.