If your power failed...UPS question.

ZoeReef

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We're installing a 120g tank in our commercial child care which is in a business park. It will be largly unattended over the weekends and this business park has had it's power failures.

We're looking to by a UPS (uninterruotible power source) to back up the most vital equipment in such an event.

Which items would be the MOST essential to keep running?

Thanks.. Andy
 
A tunze will give you a lot of flow for low wattage
Or, run multiple battery powered bubblers to aerate your water
This is for long term unattended outage
Once the UPS dies,the battery bubblers keep running off of the batteries
For best results, look into a deep cycle marine battery backup setup

Or an automated generator is the ultimate

You need to figure the wattage of the TUnze VS the size UPS & make sure it will last from 5-6p Friday until 7-8a Monday when you are back.
Or, go with 2 UPS
Or, have a controller that will beep you in case of failure
All depends upon what you can spend

and - afford to lose if your backup plan fails :(
 
I've used a UPS for power outages, but if the power's out for the whole weekend, or if there's a storm that wipes out the power grid, then a UPS isn't going to cut it. I'd look at getting a generator hooked into the circuit breaker that will kick in automatically on a power failure. Trust me (having learned the hard way) in that spending the money on a generator is probably one of the most important things you can do for your tank, it's animals and your investment. You wouldn't want to walk in on a Monday and find your tank is nothing but a stinking mass of goo.
 
I have 2 powerheads and one heater plugged in to my ups. But those are the 2 things I would make sure I have hooked in!
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7004892#post7004892 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by snulma1
I have 2 powerheads and one heater plugged in to my ups. But those are the 2 things I would make sure I have hooked in!

Guys, trust me here. This is what I had plugged in to my UPS. The heater will drain the thing faster than you think. This solution and setup will work for SHORT-TERM outages, but longterm outages, which we all face from time to time, this just is NOT a viable alternative.
 
A few notes here.

Heaters are purely resistive... they play havoc with cheap (and expensive) UPS systems. This is not a problem with a large UPS and a small heater, but a modest heater and a low VA rating will spell trobule.

Secondly, a UPS must output a true sine wave if you wish to use it for any type of inductive load (pumps or ballasts). If it is not true sine wave, device or ups damage is a certainty, fire is a possibility.

A large bank of wet cells hooked to a UPS or suitable inverter will run the system for a day or 2 (small power head, no heater, and an air pump). However batteries only have a life span of 12-18 months, from that point on they degrade rather sharply (even your car battery). at ~$50-100 a pop, this gets expensive.

The money would be better put into a small 7kW generac that runs on natural gas and has an automatic transfer switch. you will spend about $2500 on the whole thing. A UPS big enough to run an air pump and power head for the weekend is going to cost well over $1000 and a few hundred every year or so for cell replacement.

In the real world, UPS systems are to smooth out intermitant power problems (10 seconds or less) and allow the generator time to kick in and come up to revs with clean power (target less than 30 seconds form power failure). The UPS system is designed to keep the systmes up until generator power AND long enough to initiate full safe shutdown if the genset does not come up.

I hope this helps.
 
Would a UPS defeat the purpose of having GFCI? A power generator would be on the "other side" of the GFCI circuit, so you'd get the benefit of safety (GFCI) and a reliable backup?

Jack
 
running a powerhead or two and a air pump will run for a long time on something like a apc smartups 1000-1400 which is true sine wave from what I have read. You can get refurbed ones or used ones on ebay for 100 or less usually without batteries, replacement batteries (about every 2 years) will cost you 40-60 dollars shipped. I have a smartups 1400 ups on my 2 home computers, athlon x2 system overclocked and watercooled with an eheim 1250 pump and it will run for a couple hours with a 24" lcd screen, my cable modem, router etc all plugged into it.
 
I second Bean's suggesion on the generator. Our local Sam's Club had a standby generator for like $1400.
Do you have natural gas available?
 
crumble I an ot sure what your question is.

A GFCI does not care where the power comes from. It cares if the power that goes down the HOT leg is returned on the NEUTRAL leg. It does this at the point of installation.
 
Bean,

The question is if salt water, or salt, or whatever were to get into the outlet and trip the GFCI, wouldn't the BackUPS continue to produce power? So the GFCI tripping wouldn''t have the intended effect? I suppose you could have a GFCI power strip _after_ the BackUPS rather than at the circuit breakers or at the wall outlet.

Jack
 
A gfi trips power at the outlet, it does not trip the breaker anyway. The GFCI does not care where it is feed from, it only cares about it's load.
 
Exactly, and when the GFCI trips, the BackUPS will keep running. The backUPS simply thinks the power has gone off. So if it trips in a circumstance that would keep you from getting electrocuted, the BackUPS would keep right on pumping away. At least that is how it appears to me and is why I have never hooked up my BackUPS to my tank...

Jack
 
You still have me lost....

If the GFCI trips, the back supply will keep pumping away (the same as the power company keeps sending power if the GFCI trips any other time). I don't see where the problem is. The UPS will no longer see hte load and therefore use proportionatly less power. I am either missing your what your concerned about or you are missing the big picture... so help me help you and maybe we can figure out who is missing somethign here :)
 
Ohh I think i see what you mean.

Your afraid that if the the UPS is after the GFCI, then it will prevent it from tripping! You can of course put a GFCI after the UPS :)
 
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