Lysiosquillina maculata - Preparation

Also because this is dry substrate "dead" I guess I can clean it with freshwater the once before adding the saltwater, but will I need to stick with the 1.25 - 1.5 pounds of Live Rock per Gallon of water, I am starting to worry about space! :uhoh3:

Like i said put only the amount of live rock you "need" to aquascape. Other wise i don't think you need any live rock. You just need to seed your sand with ether a few pieces of live rock or get about 10 pounds of live sand to your loads of dead sand. Through time it will be live sand or cheat and put a dead shrimp in the sand, lol.
 
Ideal have it what Dr. Roy says, however, practically most mantis keepers don't have the right aquariums to accommodate the Lysiosquillina sp. So fill the tank to nearly half as its tall... you may maybe exceed by a several cm from half way. Most cases you will get a small L. maculata and you can control their growth by how many times you feed it. The more you feed the quicker the L. maculata would grow...less you feed the slower.

Again a trick that i do, to have it dig were i want it to start are the ends of the tank. I put live rock on the surface of the places i don't want it to start. Or i put a temporary floor tile. It will dig on the expose sand only, based on what mine have done. So, its a compromise to what Dr. Roy said...just that instead of a vertical burrow it will just go as long as the tank horizontally. Then it is 1.5x as the animal is long...it will dig down vertically to were it would start digging to a J shape. Once it hits your mesh it will dig horizontal till it hits the other side of the tank. Once your L. maculata has started the burrow construction. Having his entire body to fit in his burrow, thats the time i remove the tile or i rearrange the live rock to my desired locations. Once its down there in the substrate...it can do whatever it wants. Eventually would come to the surface having made its second entrance. As it will always have one door close and their beaty little eyes looking at you from the other opening!

Side thought, always wanted to try the Fx5 but seen those up close large bloody canisters! Pretty cool! :)

G'day MantisO_o thanks for the swift response again =)

Can definitely see what you mean by most practical aquariums not being BEST suited for a L. maculata, considering there potential size and them being burrowers of soft substrate...all part of the challenge! ;)

I will add an extra 10cm maybe 12cm of depth to the Med/Fine coral sand that I might be able to pick up today, only reason I didn't get it all yesterday was because of the cost...25kg's of Coarse coral sand & 75kg's of Med/Fine coral sand cost $265...more then I anticipated but hardly a set back :).

It makes sense that, "the more often you feed it the quicker it will grow/ the slower you feed it the slower it will grow" (I can't believe how some people believe animals will only grow to the size of the TANK they live in.....baby great white shark anyone ?!? :lolspin: ).

Your advice seems infinite MantisO_o :) as far as allowing the L. mac to dig in certain place, I noticed in your tanks there seemed to be transparent pipes sticking out of both of there holes, do they go down deep or are they just there to sort of give your L. mac's a place to start, the tile Idea is a good one :) something I think I will give ago. I certainly don't want him making the entrances and exits to his tunnel behind or obscured from site by the Live Rock....and I don't really want to disturb anything in the tank once the L. mac is in....

Just about there homes and there burrowing specifically...I know I shouldn't and well I won't if it's bad to do so or against recommendations but anyway, I was THINKING about designing a tunnel for them, running the length of the tank with maybe 3 outlet points and wide enough for plenty of movement within it, its just that if I was capable of doing something like that I could create 2 advantages for myself and the L. mac :).

Firstly it would create a rigid safe burrow (not saying that he can't do his own job well enough) but I do worry that if for whatever reason I move something within the tank it may cause one of his burrows to "cave in" and possibly around him, trapping him in the process. Secondly since I would be the one creating the tunnel I could design it for easy viewing a.k.a making the exit/entry holes for it in good viewing spots and even do a 1/2tunnel system along the whole front of the tank where I could see him under the sand and in the tunnel system :)?!?!

EDIT: My 2 main worries about creating a tunnel system myself for the L. mac is that a) The L. mac won't use it...and it would be rather large so removing it once he is in would be...difficult at best. b) The cleaning of the inside of the tunnel I make once its inside the tank, if the L. mac does use it would it be something that the L. mac will keep clean inside himself, just expelling out of the tunnel any unwanted bits of waste ?

On that side note of yours....the Fluval Fx5 you stated you have never owned one, but finding there stats online is fairly easy and from knowledge what is on the box is NOT that different to the truth so you can GO off the boxes stats, there is an AWESOME Ehiem Pro vs Fluval Fx5 thread out there, FLuval won :).

Anyway... knowing that they are a powerful canister filter and also knowing that this tank will house mostly substrate...am I going over board (in a BAD WAY only though) by getting one this big, so far it seems the tank will hold a lot less water then say what a normal level substrate bottomed tank would hold.

Cheers mate your help so far has been priceless :D
 
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I have been waiting a long time for one of these beautiful stomatopods, I have never seen a L. maculata for sale in a pet store around my area but I know a few things are for certain, they habit the northern portion of my state (QLD), the northern portion of my state (QLD) has pet stores there that do on occasions get them. The pet store I go to "petcity" is WAY above average when it comes to the stocking of weird and wonderful creatures I have told them what I want specifically :) they get the most strange and diverse creatures in from all pet stores around my area, when I went in there yesterday they had half a dozen freshwater sting rays, salt water stone fish, salt water angler fish (one was huge! about 25cm long!) and they frequently get in (unwillingly on Live Rock to sell) SMASHER stomatopods.

Once this tank has water in it etc and is "cycled" I will add small things like cleaner crew and a couple of tiny fish just to keep the cycle going till the L. mac comes around and I don't mind how long he does take to get here :)
 
From my observation from those L. maculata that i had/have (, total was five"¦my first male died from bad experiment.) From the size of 15 cm and below they can start their burrows without aid from me. However the male - 'Jaryd', 21.59 cm from Indonesia i got could not start a bloody burrow on its own. He kept laying on his back (what i call maculata whining, lol"¦no wonder he was caught"¦lol) He wouldn't even try to dig"¦so i gave him a starter tube. So it can stop laying on its back, which is a form of being stressed but not fatal for L. maculata. Where this tube wasn't very long by the way, it was just a marker for it to start digging. Dr. Roy mention that they can't build their burrows if the tube was in place. For 'Jaryd' yes that was very true! As for the female - 'Anthea', 15.24 cm from Indonesia the tube didn't hinder her build. She was able to construct her burrow just fine with the tube in place.

You can have a go with the PVC pipes but honestly it would be a waste of time. A few might use the pipe, however, most will not. Their burrow making is simple"¦make a U shape burrow. One front door and back door and no need for any side doors. Save your money. They will construct the burrow by using their mucus. I notice that it doesn't matter how much sand it has above their burrows. It hasn't caved in for me at all from the years i have kept L. maculata, unless i was imploding it on purpose. My suggestion is to leave their burrow building to the experts aka themselves. Plus it would allow them to adjust the tunnels as they grow.

If i need to control their building from beneath the sand i place rocks or boxes filled with water in places under the sand i don't want it to dig. I force him or her to go to the open sand spaces i want it to dig to. Most of the time i get them to dig towards the front of the glass and when you get them to do so. Dr. Roy mention to put a cover or they will cover it themselves with sand. They will tidy their own burrows doing maintenance with out the need of us. They will expel uneaten food and substrate, which i have seen them do.

Side note - one of the places i'd like to live would be Australia :)
 
From my observation from those L. maculata that i had/have (, total was five…my first male died from bad experiment.) From the size of 15 cm and below they can start their burrows without aid from me. However the male - 'Jaryd', 21.59 cm from Indonesia i got could not start a bloody burrow on its own. He kept laying on his back (what i call maculata whining, lol…no wonder he was caught…lol) He wouldn't even try to dig…so i gave him a starter tube. So it can stop laying on its back, which is a form of being stressed but not fatal for L. maculata. Where this tube wasn't very long by the way, it was just a marker for it to start digging. Dr. Roy mention that they can't build their burrows if the tube was in place. For 'Jaryd' yes that was very true! As for the female - 'Anthea', 15.24 cm from Indonesia the tube didn't hinder her build. She was able to construct her burrow just fine with the tube in place.

You can have a go with the PVC pipes but honestly it would be a waste of time. A few might use the pipe, however, most will not. Their burrow making is simple…make a U shape burrow. One front door and back door and no need for any side doors. Save your money. They will construct the burrow by using their mucus. I notice that it doesn't matter how much sand it has above their burrows. It hasn't caved in for me at all from the years i have kept L. maculata, unless i was imploding it on purpose. My suggestion is to leave their burrow building to the experts aka themselves. Plus it would allow them to adjust the tunnels as they grow.

If i need to control their building from beneath the sand i place rocks or boxes filled with water in places under the sand i don't want it to dig. I force him or her to go to the open sand spaces i want it to dig to. Most of the time i get them to dig towards the front of the glass and when you get them to do so. Dr. Roy mention to put a cover or they will cover it themselves with sand. They will tidy their own burrows doing maintenance with out the need of us. They will expel uneaten food and substrate, which i have seen them do.

Side note - one of the places i'd like to live would be Australia :)

G'day MantisO_o

I didn't know you had kept 5!! I would consider that a blessing although loosing anyone of them I would also consider a tragedy!! The thought of getting my first L. mac and having him/her lay on there backs for the first few days is an alarming thought but having said that and after reading about yours doing the same...I am a lot more calm and confident now, there LAZY! :lolspin:

As far as making the tunnel for them, I ain't gonna do that no more (was maybe getting a bit TOO enthusiastic...) after all I do want to watch an L.mac live its life which does mean, making its own home by itself, it would be most healthy for the animal since NO ONE ON EARTH could give you the best way to design the tunnel other then the animal itself that will live within it! (unless you speak stomatopod...there'd be know way of knowing if you done the "rite" job. :D)

Hmm I like the idea of placing things in the tank to just prevent certain areas being dug out, similar with your tile idea above, I'll definitely give this ago along with place some things beneth the surface as well =).

I have decided to bite the bullet as far as this project goes...(by biting the bullet I mean in a good way too :D)...during the coarse of this week I plan of accumulating all the money I need for this build to get it up running and cycling hopefully by this weekend, I'll get what moneys I need during the week this week then this weekend its back to the aquarium....I am glad I own a UTE! Going to purchase the sea water from the aquarium they sell it out at 30c/ltr which is pritty damn cheap too me :D they even supply containers for those that have none!

So this week should definitely be the most busy for me in terms of this project and im getting ANTSY!!!:o

P.S. Australia is the BOMB DIGGITY!!! I am a "well off" person...I travel A LOT! and have been to many many many places around the world... I still call and will always call australia home, everything about living here is just 5star 1st class!!!
 
To MantisO_o!

I feel a bit foolish (like a little kid unwilling to wait "R WE THERE YET!!!"...I am 24) asking all these questions knowing full well that Dr. Roy is going to release an article specifically on the species I seek....I hope I am not "bugging you" though....as I don't want to come off as annoying or impatient....

Going a bit back to one of your responses....you mentioned the ability to build almost like a "reef" ontop of the substrate knowing it will not bother the mantis, I was wondering and I am not seeking a HUGE list just a few things you WOULD or HAVE put with your L.mac's to brighten up the tank or make things more interesting (since well you know 95% of the time all there will be is seedy looking eyez staring out at me!)

Cheers
 
This video interested me for 2 reasons (not the BEST reasons either....)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BV9z5e1r2KM&feature=BFa&list=PL3CE2AEFFDB35D7EA&lf=mh_lolz

Firstly as you can see by the size of the L. mac in the tank, there seems to be VERY VERY little sand in there for it....

Secondly the person making the video tries to man handle the shrimp and force its claws out...now that just seems silly too me because if the mantis had of "freaked out" (aka tried to quickly escape his grasp) while he was attempting to extend its raptorial claws....I could see one or both claws easily being ripped off the poor stomatopods body...

Whats your take on this video for what seems to be low level substrate and forceful manhandling ?

I don't want to bad mouth the person who made the video as the odds of them being on here are high but, I'd just like others opinions on the video.

Cheers
 
Well, if finally happened. I walked into the lab this afternoon and there was a bit of water on the floor. I came back five minutes later to clean it up and water was spraying out of one vertical seam. The 200 gal tank that has housed my L m pair for the last 9 years in a cut -away burrow had ruptured. In the last two hours I've scooped out over 200 lbs of sand and drained 150 gallons of sea water. I finally dug down to the pvc burrow entrances on both sides and used a hose to force the animals out the other end. They are fine, but now I have to find a new tank and start the burrow process over again. AGHHHH!

Roy
 
Well, if finally happened. I walked into the lab this afternoon and there was a bit of water on the floor. I came back five minutes later to clean it up and water was spraying out of one vertical seam. The 200 gal tank that has housed my L m pair for the last 9 years in a cut -away burrow had ruptured. In the last two hours I've scooped out over 200 lbs of sand and drained 150 gallons of sea water. I finally dug down to the pvc burrow entrances on both sides and used a hose to force the animals out the other end. They are fine, but now I have to find a new tank and start the burrow process over again. AGHHHH!

Roy

Probably the most dreaded thing that could happen to any marine enthusiast...and it goes to show that even the most experienced and professional of us still encounter some of the worst disasters imaginable...

I am sorry to hear about your tank....I am happy to hear that both the L. mac's survived! I guess it goes to show there level of survival and hardiness which is a good thing, I really hope you don't loose any from stress or anything related and wish you the very best at finding a new tank to house them in.

It gets me worrying a bit as my tank is also around that age and has never been re-sealed....however after talking with my mother about it (who supplied the glass and silicon, she worked in the glass industry her whole life), she has re-assured me that the silicon used was industrial grade strength and if it DID break...she would pay for a complete new one (she is that confident in the tanks strength.... can't argue with someone who has worked in glass there WHOLE LIFE!).

Hope all goes well for you and that your capable of finding a good home to put your L. mac's in!
 
On a brighter note! :lolspin:

My local marine aquarium animal collector came into my work today (his other job is a welder and we supply him stuff) anyway when he came in he did his usual stuff with orders then he turned to me with a HUGE grin on his face :D, I went white!!!

He told me that not far from RITE HERE (my work and my home I live 5mins from work) about 15-30mins drive out, there is a place called Wellington Point, he has told me that I myself can go out there at low tide and find many stomatopods, he is unsure if the ones lurking out there at the point are L. mac's but he said its worth a browse.

So :) this weekend I am on an expedition trip to wellington point! I will take a decent camera with me and take pictures of all the stomatopods I come across and I have my fingers crossed (but not holding high hopes) that I see an L. mac, cause if I see 1...there is going to be MORE!!!

This expedition will be a view and document only, I'll post all my findings on here!

CAN'T WAIT!!!! DAMN IT FOR BEING TOLD THIS INFO ON A MONDAY!!!!!
 
Well, if finally happened. I walked into the lab this afternoon and there was a bit of water on the floor. I came back five minutes later to clean it up and water was spraying out of one vertical seam. The 200 gal tank that has housed my L m pair for the last 9 years in a cut -away burrow had ruptured. In the last two hours I've scooped out over 200 lbs of sand and drained 150 gallons of sea water. I finally dug down to the pvc burrow entrances on both sides and used a hose to force the animals out the other end. They are fine, but now I have to find a new tank and start the burrow process over again. AGHHHH!

Roy

OMG! Was this the three some pair???? or is this another pair? and now how will or rather would this hinder the bond of the pair (and provided this is the three some pairing you mentioned before.) How will you start the burrow process? Would you place all of them in the new tank at the same time or allow the females to dig? Very curious! But OMG I'm sorry sir for this very inconvenient event.
 
To MantisO_o!

I feel a bit foolish (like a little kid unwilling to wait "R WE THERE YET!!!"...I am 24) asking all these questions knowing full well that Dr. Roy is going to release an article specifically on the species I seek....I hope I am not "bugging you" though....as I don't want to come off as annoying or impatient....

Going a bit back to one of your responses....you mentioned the ability to build almost like a "reef" ontop of the substrate knowing it will not bother the mantis, I was wondering and I am not seeking a HUGE list just a few things you WOULD or HAVE put with your L.mac's to brighten up the tank or make things more interesting (since well you know 95% of the time all there will be is seedy looking eyez staring out at me!)

Cheers

Your not bothering me at all. Its good to compare from other keepers whom had whatever interest animal in question you are interested in having. When i started i asked questions too, we all ask questions to or those who can admit they have asked questions to others here. The three people i have sent to ask questions to were Dr. Roy, Timmy and Dan. Cuz they know what they are talking about because they have those animals. Its hard to take advice to those who assume how are, not all of these Stomatopods will act and require the same needs. It would be similar but never the same. I'm glad to help.

Basically from what i have learned from Dr. Roy, L. Maculata is a very durable species. They can go through many conditions of water quality. I'm pretty sure in his labs their water is near or is prefect. Where mine i can tell you for a full certainty my water parameters is crap but not horrible. I still get close to 0ppm but i do get me spikes now and then. Also i have kept them in the worst places before from a 5 gallon bucket to a far small tank size to know you can basically do anything above their burrows. So that being said you can put a coral reef on top. You can specialize a type of coral on top. You can keep even shrimp! From those had they ignored the shrimp but fish, say good bye! but corals they are no where interested. Like with the two pairs i got their tanks are refugiums for my 75 and 55 reefs.
 
This video interested me for 2 reasons (not the BEST reasons either....)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BV9z5e1r2KM&feature=BFa&list=PL3CE2AEFFDB35D7EA&lf=mh_lolz

Firstly as you can see by the size of the L. mac in the tank, there seems to be VERY VERY little sand in there for it....

Secondly the person making the video tries to man handle the shrimp and force its claws out...now that just seems silly too me because if the mantis had of "freaked out" (aka tried to quickly escape his grasp) while he was attempting to extend its raptorial claws....I could see one or both claws easily being ripped off the poor stomatopods body...

Whats your take on this video for what seems to be low level substrate and forceful manhandling ?

I don't want to bad mouth the person who made the video as the odds of them being on here are high but, I'd just like others opinions on the video.

Cheers

First of all if i could talk they way i normally talk and not be banned from these forums you can get a clear picture of what i thought of this video. I am the kind of person who is very frank with my opinions, i let it be clear whether the person is on here or not. That his an ignorant little boy whom is acting just as that. Knowing 'NOTHING' and trying to look that this L. maculata is what? harmless to what prove something? It just clearly exhibits his ignorance and that his showing off this animal and not giving it respect. Simply put your self in the position of it. Imagine Aliens, lol stripping you of your garments, lifting you, touching you in ways you can't control. Then his buddies are filming you! Giving it no form of escape or security. Enough said.
 
On a brighter note! :lolspin:

My local marine aquarium animal collector came into my work today (his other job is a welder and we supply him stuff) anyway when he came in he did his usual stuff with orders then he turned to me with a HUGE grin on his face :D, I went white!!!

He told me that not far from RITE HERE (my work and my home I live 5mins from work) about 15-30mins drive out, there is a place called Wellington Point, he has told me that I myself can go out there at low tide and find many stomatopods, he is unsure if the ones lurking out there at the point are L. mac's but he said its worth a browse.

So :) this weekend I am on an expedition trip to wellington point! I will take a decent camera with me and take pictures of all the stomatopods I come across and I have my fingers crossed (but not holding high hopes) that I see an L. mac, cause if I see 1...there is going to be MORE!!!

This expedition will be a view and document only, I'll post all my findings on here!

CAN'T WAIT!!!! DAMN IT FOR BEING TOLD THIS INFO ON A MONDAY!!!!!


Okay, i'd love to see that :)
 
I hear they are great prepared with butter and garlic.

:angryfire: think they are called '****ing shrimp' on asian restaurant menus, because when you go to remove there flesh they can squirt you with a juice in the face!

EDIT: hmm seems that its a BAD word, its not the "F" word LOL
 
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