My Sharks in HD

This is a post that I used in a Reply to another members Large Tank thread:
However the pictures of my sponges are only here.


There are LFS around me that do sell tropical and sub-tropical (without telling customers) Porifera is the phyllum in which all Sponges fall.
Something i saw for sale recently in a reef tank full of frags, fell under the Hexactinellid class, which are glass sponges.

Demospongiae is another class, which makes up almost all of the Porifera phyllum. These are the types of sponges, I believe, that have developed for me. Much of the structure of the Demosponges are silica-based. This makes sense because I used Play Sand early on in the life of the system in the shark pond and also in some tanks. Play Sand is a silica sand. Not aragonite like what I have in some tanks now. But the silicates from that original sand would have contributed to the Demosponges development and i also see sand that gets kicked up by powerheads, sticking to the sponge colonies, and I assume, being enveloped.

These curious sponges I did not intentionally purchase. I have hundreds of pounds of LR, I could not really say how much because it is dispersed throughout many tanks and I havent kept track over the years. Most of the LR started out as Dry Rock, from CaribSea or Marco. However an initial ~hundred pounds of various Live types like Fiji branch, Tonga, shelf, a little base rock, seeded the refugia. To this day, if I happen to see a piece of cured LR for sale at an LFS with a lot of interesting, non-pest, Growth on it, I will purchase it to increase diversity throughout the system.

I would definitely not rely on sponges for any type of consistent filtration, and I hope i didn't convey that sort of message. I believe that they are one of the many fascinating creatures that develop in refugia, and as do most micro-fauna, they also aid in the breakdown of nutrients. Smaller mouths to smaller mouths to smaller mouths!

Definitely employ both filter socks/pre-filters and a large mechanical/biological filter, such as bead or sand filters, in your Life Support system for your Shark tank. These types of filters are easy to employ and offer the benefit of being able to easily clean them out by backflushing them. This will work well for you as well because if I recall correctly, you may have said you have a floor drain? or the ability to install a drain?
Either way, sharks make messes.....

Two types, Blue and Yellow/Tan:

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Two types:

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A Stringy Pink Sponge
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Left side of picture, the blue sponges are spreading to more LR:

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Nice Macro growth, after exporting about 5 pounds from that Left Bommie. It had grown in too much....

A good moderate, laminar flow produces so much more growth in certain Algaes.

And heres the new basement resident, Mysterio the mystery wrasse....

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Awesome! I've been thinking about setting up a shallow but wide base tank in my garage. I know somebody that has a shark Tank Island in his kitchen. It is pretty amazing
 
Thats awesome! Weird combination but I like it nevertheless!
Sharks in the Kitchen... wouldnt mind seeing some pics or videos of it, if you could??

What do you mean by base tank? Like a remote sump or fuge?
What kind of system do you have?
 
Just an update video. Short and to the point.


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Baby Blue face eating everything and anything. Juvenile Achilles Tang went through tank transfer. Was a bit on the skinny side but is plumping up on NLS and all sorts of frozen.
This is in the bottom tank I use for acclimation. Also have 125gallon getting put on line with everything else as a few fish need a little more growing out before the pond, potentially.


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Yes!
They began showing up earlier this year and then up in late spring.
I dont know if you've been having similar weather as we have up here, but it was really hot, then the temperature dropped at night to below 50F.
Trouble with controlling water temp with Ambient temperature, the House's Water heater and humidity control. I had a major temp swing, which was partly my fault and partly nothing I could prevent.
Over the course of two weeks tank water hit 80F then I adjusted it, with exhaust fans, then one night the temp dropped outside, and then the water dropped 3.5F in 24 hours.
That kind of "ruined the mood" for all of em.
But things have been stable now, accounting for this crazy weather. Some of the Females are looking plump again.
Hopefully I can get them back into shape and comfortable, and I've been working on the other Marshall Island Display, to get ready for SPS, and I've been burning the candle at both ends.
 
Been having nothing but problems with Baby BlueFace angels, however the one I have now is doing the best, by far. However, after being QT'ed and placed in the Acclimation tank, he was not gaining weight despite eating heavily, as i fed that tank All day long with the newly acclimated Achilles Tang, who was Tank Transfered and prazi treated. AT was pretty skinny, and a juvie, so I added a few Venturi powerheads to make it a Surge Tank.
Had to remove Baby Blueface as Fluke symptoms showed up again, so I temporarily made the 125gal back into a QT, before I plumb it into the entire System, agaiin.

I have a gorgeous pair of Genicanthus semifasciatus!!! I dipped them today, before entering into the Acclimation/Surge tank. Despite being bigger than the Achilles juvenile, he would not let the M or F settle in without beating on them. So major fish moving was done, A tang for a tang between tanks, and angel for angel, as well. Now the Masked Swallowtails are settling into the Surge tank, and the AT is across the room in his new Surge tank. The BlueFace is still in the 125 QT, and as soon as he's done with prazi treatment, that tank will be Plumbed into the entire system, with the option to shut it off, in order to use it as a large QT if needed.
The Japanese Masked Swallowtails were definitely a score and are absolutely gorgeous!!!!

I know it's bad pics, but I'll throw a video of them up in a few.
Thanks!

125gal QT with BlueFace

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In with the Achilles

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With Achilles:

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As of now, fish are all moved around, and all tank lights are off. I've been checking on things every so often to make sure nobodies beating anybody to shreds.
Vid soon....
 
I buoght a trio of those many years back. They brought velvet through the QT observation into the display. I had a total wipe out including them, except one tomato clown that never showed a sign. He became my carrier. From him I started testing compounds other than copper on Newley infected fish and that is how I found chloroquine and reintroduced here on RC. That clown would infect my fish and I would put them through so many garden pesticides, lice treatments, quinacrine, quinine and finally chloroquine. Anyway, the velvet I used for testing came from those angles. They have saved a lot of fish. Good luck with them.
 
That's amazing!
I would really like to hear more about that if you have a chance, and/or you documented the trials.
I'll send you a pm. It wasn't the same tomato clown that was in the "force feed" video was it?

I really hope these aren't carrying anything. (Knock on wood) Their stay in the big QT was abbreviated as the ORP/DO was low on account of prazi, no skimmer, higher temperatures, etc. Plus from what I've read and heard, these are sightly sub-tropical. Preferring low 70s. They were breathing HEAVILY after acclimation to that tank.
So they will be returning to the big QT once I have them taking pellets, which they were already interested in yesterday. For the last 6 months I've been feeding much more frozen, especially Hikari, which I never used to use. Mega Marine, Mega-Marine Angel, Spirulina Brine. I'm curious about that newer Hikari Gammarus? I have been hesitant to try it. i believe its marketed for freshwater fish anyway.
The only frozen i used in the past was really only Piscine Energetics.
Still a firm believer that the first food to get my fish on is New Life Spectrum pellets, and once that is accomplished, then feed them everything under the sun, with pellets all day every day, as well. And its been working WONDERS in keeping my fish healthy.

Ive also been steering clear of most Copper-containing compounds, unless absolutely necessary. I've been working on some of my own theories and trials with copper resistance, and the mass use of copper in the industry leading to something much worse.
Luckily, I haven't experienced that THREE letter word, starting with I, ending in H, with a C in the middle, in years!! I attribute it to low stress, proper QT, and super healthy fish and Eco-system.
Thanks!
 
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So its that time of year again. Flukes coming in on every fish I purchase.
The male Japanese masked had a cloudy eye this morning, which was no surprise as I watch both he and the female shaking their heads yesterday. It also spread to the multicolor angel as well as a very old Yellow tang with the absolute worst HLLE ive ever seen in a Z. flavescens. No dorsal, ventral or caudal fin, was doing great since I took him in, but now add flukes.
The icing on the cake was when I noticed today, in the tank above the fish already listed, the majestic angel had a cloudy eye too !!!!!
All of the fish from the first tank mentioned went into a 125g QT, with a 75 gallon WC first. Just started ramping up Prazi in that tank.
As far as the rest of the big system, an entire 16oz bottle was just poured into all of the tanks and the pond.
Now heres the problem. I almost never can allow myself to see an entire 5-7 day treatment because of the gasping breathing movements of the large-mass sharks, which consume A LOT of Oxygen. When shut the skimmer down, I watch as the DO lowers, ORP, PH then too.
So this time, I didnt shut off the Iwaki driving the dual becketts. I just opened the ball valve completely, so that there is no column of bubbles in the skimmer. The water is injected past the becketts down to the bpttom of the bubble chamber, then about 7"-8" of water is churning and it flows right out the 2" PVC ball valve and drain back in to the pond.
Will this interfere with the praziquantel? Ive never tried it this way, usually I turn it totally off at the Apex controller. I dont see how the med would be removed or interfered with, unless it should not be oxidized.
Ill try over in disease forum too.
 
Cut and pasted from the other thread, just in case someone sees this and not that one:

The trick with the skimmer is leave it running, but not have it up enough that you are foaming the Prazi out of solution into the collection cup. A few air stones in the tank might have as well (even though it's a horrid eye sore).
I have run a few RK2 set ups where the fluidized media bed is plumbed in line with the pt skimmer, so if I shut it down during treatment I lose all of the biological as well. I usually just cut the air supply by closing the venturi.
 
Matt-
I replied over in "diseases" too.
Im already ready to pull out the med. I used PraziPro this time, I believe its from Hikari. All of my levels dropped over night, except of course temperature, which would have been a help. I hate seeing the flared gills of the bigger sharks, drives me nuts thinking about it. Thats always neem the reason I pull it out early too.
I dropped a mag 12 and 9.5 into the pond just to create a massive surface agitation. My pH is still too low, and the temp is kissing 78.
What levels, realistically, should I tolerate before I pull out the Prazi?
Ph of 7.6, or 7.7 ORP of 200 or 220 DO of 4.0 or 5.0?
These are such UGLY numbers but I see them in my future.....
 
I've had big shark displays that struggled to get a pH over 7.8, the 7.6 number is a good stopping point. ORP of 200mV is a cut off good point. For DO, I usually let the animal behavior dictate that.
 
Ok. Thanks Matt.
Thats good to hear. Everything has been slowly rebounding, so I'm no-where near those numbers anymore.
Things are looking on the up and up. Just a few more days, I'll drop in a carbon reactor and turn up the skimmer.
Then I'll determine if i have to do it all over again.....
 
I finally read the whole thing. Do you still have the bumblebee? I doubt you would find someone with a bigger pond for it then you. Did you every find out why the shark was doing the flipper thing?
 
Actually did find an LFS w/ a large display tank as well as a larger tank in their basement.
I've seen sharks doing that for years, on occasion. The jet off and flip onto there side or back for a split second. I thought it was some sort of irritation and a scratching maneuver, but it's never progressed to anything and after close inspection, deworming and prazi, it still comes and goes. No parasites are visible under magnifier and scraping.
 
Today was a good day for an update video...
After Prazi treatment, healthy and happy, and huge... Some of the females have super fat bellies, maybe some buns in the oven...

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