yankeereefer
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what paper was it in? Normal junk ads in the mail? Any deals in it?
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yankeereefer
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I know this one used to and others (Petland locations) do as well. Another option might be to check out the swap meet in Wheaton next weekend at the fairgrounds - I think it's the same day and not too far from where the frag swap is gonna be held
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yankeereefer
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I've never been to either of 'em - Tried to go last weekend on the 6th, but it was on the 7th - Doh!!!
I'm probably gonna make it a double day and hit both swaps - I'm feeling an interest in PDF (poison dart frogs) coming on.
If I make it there, I'll post an unofficial review
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adamjr
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Petland is one of the largest, if not THE largest purchaser of puppy mill raised puppies in the United States. Thanks for saving me the trip. I will not support any business that supports puppy mills and tells their customers (by way of corporate policy) that "our puppies come from a private breeder out west."
We all have our definition of what a private breeder is. I suppose if you wrap a cyclone fence around a building and post no tresspassing signs in order to prevent the public from seeing the torture going on I guess you could call it "private".
I'll step down from my well informed soap box and allow the rest of you to let your conscience be your guide.
Adam
Evolley1
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Anywhooooo about the puppies. Let's talk about the store. I was just there tonight for a small family and friend function at the store. The store looks great on the inside...certainly better and more organized than the one before. It feels a lot bigger due to the vaulted ceilings. As for the saltwater department, the fish are all looking good. One of the highlights was a tank filled with wrasses and anthia's. They also have 6 blue spotted gobies. The coral selection is limited right now as they have some SPS colonies, clams, and some softies spread about in 2 or 3 tanks. It will get better though once they officially open. Better lighting will be added for those tanks and there is also discussion for a frag trade tank. So for instance if you bring in a frag you can perhaps get an equal trade for it depending upon what it is and if multiples exist. Anyway, I think this store will turn out really good and it will support the locals...so go see them on Saturday!!!
By the way they also carry reptile supplies
By the way they also carry reptile supplies
criccio
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Lee Watsons was the name of the swap.
Stopped at Petland today. The livestock looked healthy and the tanks looked very clean and organized. They had some common purple crocea's, but the coral selection was pretty non-existant, maybe a handful, and some zoa rocks. A ton of snails and hermits. One thing that stuck out was the size of all the tangs, they must have been 6-12" and beautiful, there just better be some big tanks out there to house them. A few mooorish idols as well. Hopefully, us locals will help mold them into a place for the serious hobbiest to stop at.
Stopped at Petland today. The livestock looked healthy and the tanks looked very clean and organized. They had some common purple crocea's, but the coral selection was pretty non-existant, maybe a handful, and some zoa rocks. A ton of snails and hermits. One thing that stuck out was the size of all the tangs, they must have been 6-12" and beautiful, there just better be some big tanks out there to house them. A few mooorish idols as well. Hopefully, us locals will help mold them into a place for the serious hobbiest to stop at.
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maxima k2
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I went by about 3 o'clock and it was really busy. I couldn't get any help it was so busy. I was looking to help them out and take a couple of anthias off their hands but no dice. I bet there was about 75+ people in the store, I couldn't get down a single aisle. After a fustrating 20 minutes I left, I will try again in a month or two. But in all fairness things did look pretty good for a new system. Anyone get a chance to check drygood prices?
revenge53142
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well informed my [profanity]
-Revenge
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adamjr
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Revenge, either you are outright lying or you have consumed the corporate Koolaid that is being used to lie to customers.
I met you at a couple of meetings and you seem to be a really nice guy. You also do not strike me as ignorant or worse yet stupid.
If you do not wish to take what I say at face value then look over the paperwork that is required to be suppleid for each and every canine and feline that a retailer sells. Look up the USDA registration numbers of the breeders and brokers supplying the puppy mill bred animals sold at Petland stores.
Do a little research on where the animals come from. It reaches quite a bit farhter then the van that brings them to the store. Don't tell me I'm wrong unless you have the proof to back up your misinformed statement.
Want me to back down? Prove me wrong. Don't make an asinine statement if you can't back it up.
Adam
I met you at a couple of meetings and you seem to be a really nice guy. You also do not strike me as ignorant or worse yet stupid.
If you do not wish to take what I say at face value then look over the paperwork that is required to be suppleid for each and every canine and feline that a retailer sells. Look up the USDA registration numbers of the breeders and brokers supplying the puppy mill bred animals sold at Petland stores.
Do a little research on where the animals come from. It reaches quite a bit farhter then the van that brings them to the store. Don't tell me I'm wrong unless you have the proof to back up your misinformed statement.
Want me to back down? Prove me wrong. Don't make an asinine statement if you can't back it up.
Adam
adamjr
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Asa a follow up since my revious post came off really harsh I will say the following; If your store is buying from true private breeders* it is an exception and not the rule as far as Petland stores go. Petland franchise owners have the right to sell puppies or to not sell puppies. They also have the right to decide from whom to purchase puppies if they elect to sell them.
Economics are the deciding factor in where to purchase puppies from. Puppies coming from an intermediary such as a broker cost anywhere from $25.00 for mixed breed dogs to $200.00 for a breed that is more rare. The average cost of puppy mill dogs at Petland is around $125.00 from the broker.
I have investigated 3 different Petland stores within my legal rights as a consumer. I have gone in and shown interest in a puppy. I have then asked to see the documentation on that particular animal. I have been initially refused in two of the three instances. I have had to speak to a manger on those occasions and informed him after his initial backup of the employee that failure to allow a potential purchaser unaltered documentation of an animals origin is a violation of regultions of the USDA and the IL DA.
In all cases the animals origin was traced back to puppy mills or brokers known to do business primarily with puppy mills. The broker does the dirty work and distances Petland from it's well known connections to puppy mills.
Give me a petland store and I will be happy to go and prove my point and publish my findings. I will also gladly admit that I am wrong if in fact I am wrong.
As far as the * earlier on. The AKC defines a private breeder as someone that breeds no more then two breeds in their home at any given time and whelps a total of no more then 4 (if I recall correctly) times per year.
Economics are the deciding factor in where to purchase puppies from. Puppies coming from an intermediary such as a broker cost anywhere from $25.00 for mixed breed dogs to $200.00 for a breed that is more rare. The average cost of puppy mill dogs at Petland is around $125.00 from the broker.
I have investigated 3 different Petland stores within my legal rights as a consumer. I have gone in and shown interest in a puppy. I have then asked to see the documentation on that particular animal. I have been initially refused in two of the three instances. I have had to speak to a manger on those occasions and informed him after his initial backup of the employee that failure to allow a potential purchaser unaltered documentation of an animals origin is a violation of regultions of the USDA and the IL DA.
In all cases the animals origin was traced back to puppy mills or brokers known to do business primarily with puppy mills. The broker does the dirty work and distances Petland from it's well known connections to puppy mills.
Give me a petland store and I will be happy to go and prove my point and publish my findings. I will also gladly admit that I am wrong if in fact I am wrong.
As far as the * earlier on. The AKC defines a private breeder as someone that breeds no more then two breeds in their home at any given time and whelps a total of no more then 4 (if I recall correctly) times per year.
revenge53142
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i was referring to your statement, quote:
any business that supports puppy mills and tells their customers (by way of corporate policy) that "our puppies come from a private breeder out west."
a) I've never told a customer that
b) I've been to Petland coperate for sales training and was never told that
c) that is not our corporate policy
d) its retarded to state that the 70 puppies in our kennel come from A breeder
e) the paperwork we show our customer has the breeder's name on location on it (we show them this as a sales aid, its not a secret)
f) some of our puppies come from private breeders- your AKC definition and all & not commercial puppy breeders
g) some of the puppies from distributors come from private breeders as well
e) YOUR IMPLICATION IS THAT I LIE TO PEOPLE
you claim to be well informed yet you're not.
my personal opinion of the "puppy trade" is completely irrealevant to why i find your post insulting and wrong.
as a Petland employee I have never been asked/trained to lie or mis-lead a customer in any way
further more your well informed statement:
"Puppies coming from an intermediary such as a broker cost anywhere from $25.00 for mixed breed dogs to $200.00 for a breed that is more rare. The average cost of puppy mill dogs at Petland is around $125.00 from the broker."
is complete BS and any owner/manager working for Petland would love to know where the 25$ dollars dogs are.
The majority of the puppies in my store come from brokers and we pay between 25$ - 125$ per dog FOR DELIVERY
Yeah that dosen't include the price of the dog or all the other crap charges the distibutors tack on. Your well-informed numbers are a complete fantasy.
I am not saying you should not have an opinion that commercial breeders are "mills"
and that these "mills" are the worst thing ever
You are definatly entitled to that
But you went way further with that with your well-informed statements which i find completely WRONG
Petland is a small business. With the exception of a few coporate stores in Ohio, each one is privately owned and operated.
Petland is a great place to work, and I've met a bunch of great people as a result of working for Petland.
Your post is mis-leading and dis-honest b/c you didn't state just your opinion. You pulled out a bunch numbers, and quoted some stuff all as fact. I think you are entitled to your opinion, but not the slander.
Petland doesn't deserve it. Especially not the fine gentleman down in Naperville who if I remember correctly, gave away a bunch of thier old tanks and fixtures to
EOPLE ON THIS FORUM
What's easier, throwing them in the dumpster-- or setting it up so hobbiest can get some free tanks?
So there is my response to you sir: Well informed my ***
AND SINCE THIS IS A FISH FORUM LET ME ASK YOU AND ANYONE ELSE
why is it bad to commercially breed dogs but OK to purchase fish and corals OUT OF THE OCEAN? I'm not saying I support it or not, just posing a question. If a domestic animal is bred to be sold and you have a problem with that, what about the fact that as of yet most marine livestock is wild caught. To me, what's man-made is property, but what about the stuff you're removing from an eco-system? Whats the big difference to you?
Please just set the soap-box down and step away
-Revenge
Proud Petland employee
any business that supports puppy mills and tells their customers (by way of corporate policy) that "our puppies come from a private breeder out west."
a) I've never told a customer that
b) I've been to Petland coperate for sales training and was never told that
c) that is not our corporate policy
d) its retarded to state that the 70 puppies in our kennel come from A breeder
e) the paperwork we show our customer has the breeder's name on location on it (we show them this as a sales aid, its not a secret)
f) some of our puppies come from private breeders- your AKC definition and all & not commercial puppy breeders
g) some of the puppies from distributors come from private breeders as well
e) YOUR IMPLICATION IS THAT I LIE TO PEOPLE
you claim to be well informed yet you're not.
my personal opinion of the "puppy trade" is completely irrealevant to why i find your post insulting and wrong.
as a Petland employee I have never been asked/trained to lie or mis-lead a customer in any way
further more your well informed statement:
"Puppies coming from an intermediary such as a broker cost anywhere from $25.00 for mixed breed dogs to $200.00 for a breed that is more rare. The average cost of puppy mill dogs at Petland is around $125.00 from the broker."
is complete BS and any owner/manager working for Petland would love to know where the 25$ dollars dogs are.
The majority of the puppies in my store come from brokers and we pay between 25$ - 125$ per dog FOR DELIVERY
Yeah that dosen't include the price of the dog or all the other crap charges the distibutors tack on. Your well-informed numbers are a complete fantasy.
I am not saying you should not have an opinion that commercial breeders are "mills"
and that these "mills" are the worst thing ever
You are definatly entitled to that
But you went way further with that with your well-informed statements which i find completely WRONG
Petland is a small business. With the exception of a few coporate stores in Ohio, each one is privately owned and operated.
Petland is a great place to work, and I've met a bunch of great people as a result of working for Petland.
Your post is mis-leading and dis-honest b/c you didn't state just your opinion. You pulled out a bunch numbers, and quoted some stuff all as fact. I think you are entitled to your opinion, but not the slander.
Petland doesn't deserve it. Especially not the fine gentleman down in Naperville who if I remember correctly, gave away a bunch of thier old tanks and fixtures to
EOPLE ON THIS FORUMWhat's easier, throwing them in the dumpster-- or setting it up so hobbiest can get some free tanks?
So there is my response to you sir: Well informed my ***
AND SINCE THIS IS A FISH FORUM LET ME ASK YOU AND ANYONE ELSE
why is it bad to commercially breed dogs but OK to purchase fish and corals OUT OF THE OCEAN? I'm not saying I support it or not, just posing a question. If a domestic animal is bred to be sold and you have a problem with that, what about the fact that as of yet most marine livestock is wild caught. To me, what's man-made is property, but what about the stuff you're removing from an eco-system? Whats the big difference to you?
Please just set the soap-box down and step away
-Revenge
Proud Petland employee
jcavanaugh18
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