Omg $4,089 For A Skimmer!!

[Solitaryensis]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12243378#post12243378 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by da1jewfish
good thread... To answer someones questions the $5995 car was a brand new 01 Hyundai Accent I bought in 01. It was a completely basic model with the only power steering, thats it, but for $5995 can't beat it. It lasted me over 92,000 miles.
Another question: "Whats your point?" The point is why would someone spend $8000 or $16000 (http://www.deltecusa.us/proteinskimmers/ap2602.php) on a skimmer when a $300-$600 would do just about the same thing.... o you want more bubbles, poor baby. WASTE OF MONEY

o yea, a Ferrari or Lambo can't be compared to an overpriced skimmer
Also, a million dollar house can't be compared to the shack that I live in either

Like hero star said what does a $8000 skimmer do that a $500 skimmer doesn't do?

Man of the Sea nailed my point.

For one, although the fundamental concept behind a skimmer remains the same whether its big or small, some people just need bigger skimmers. If you had a 1000 gallon tank, you would need something much bigger. I don’t see why that concept is hard to grasp. Its not as if this is the same size as 300.00 skimmer. Its DIFFERENT and made to be put on a tank much larger what a 300.00 skimmer can handle. I agree that its expensive but if you have a big tank and want to protect your investment, I don’t see how this is egregiously out of line.

Second, how can you not compare this with an overpriced Lambo? If your argument is that, at the end of the day, a skimmer is just a tube with gunk in it, then at the end of the day, its just a car that gets you from point A to point B, so why need a Lambo?

Look, I understand that the price popped out at you but if you have been in the hobby for any length of time, you should know that items this expensive are not uncommon, by any means.

 

[Solitaryensis]

Sorry guys. I read through all the posts and see that this point has been driven home. Ill respectfully bow out now.

 

[CleveYank]

THat's not a Skimmer....THIS IS

THat's not a Skimmer....THIS IS

http://www.dtpetsupplies.com/catalo...tems/1000-PE-Commercial-Protein-Fractionator/

 

[tmz]

Some perspecitve.
A car is nothing like a skimmer and it won't fit in your sump even a lamboughini can't do that.Technologicaly a skimmer is about as complicated as a winshield washer.

Talking about a commercial 8 foot skimmer vs an aquarium 500gal skimmer will not create any useful comparisions.

Since the thread was about the price of the bubble king, compare the bubble king 300ext rated at a max tank of 792gal against the Octopus400 rated at a max tank size of 800gal. The bubble king @ $3,500 cost more than three times as much as the Octopus@ $1100.

 

[Solitaryensis]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12247317#post12247317 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by tmz
Some perspecitve.
A car is nothing like a skimmer and it won't fit in your sump even a lamboughini can't do that.Technologicaly a skimmer is about as complicated as a winshield washer.

Talking about a commercial 8 foot skimmer vs an aquarium 500gal skimmer will not create any useful comparisions.

Since the thread was about the price of the bubble king, compare the bubble king 300ext rated at a max tank of 792gal against the Octopus400 rated at a max tank size of 800gal. The bubble king @ $3,500 cost more than three times as much as the Octopus@ $1100.

Huh? No one ever said a car was anything like a skimmer. Its an analogy. The point is that were talking about consumer goods that are "overpriced." The fact is, you can get a good skimmer for a fraction of what an expensive one costs. The fact is, you can get a good car for the fraction of a Lambo, hence the comparison.

I wouldn’t exactly describe a skimmer as being as complicated as a windshield wiper. For the larger orgs. there is a lot of R and D that goes into these products. Its easy to lose sight of that when you have people copying what these folks have spent long hours perfecting. At the end of the day, it just acrylic but much time and money has been spent perfecting the design.

That said, if given the choice, I would probably never purchase a BK over, say, an octopus skimmer BUT that doesn’t mean that one product isn’t superior to the other - just depends on how much you want to spend. Going back to the car analogy, people spend THOUASANDS just to go a fraction of a second faster than the next car. Once you get into the high end of any hobby, you are paying a premium for, in some cases, very minimal performance.

Those that push it this far spend countless hours perfecting the trade. For the average person, average and requisite is good enough. But there are always going to be a subset of people that want to push the boundaries, even if the results are negligible. That’s why people spend lots of time and money in their backyards to get their car a fraction of a second faster than the next. Its just how hobbies work.

So, at the end of the day, it’s about being able to justify to yourself how much that additional performance is worth to YOU. But to argue about how someone else values that is moot.

 

[sjames]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12247317#post12247317 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by tmz
Some perspecitve.
A car is nothing like a skimmer and it won't fit in your sump even a lamboughini can't do that.Technologicaly a skimmer is about as complicated as a winshield washer.

Talking about a commercial 8 foot skimmer vs an aquarium 500gal skimmer will not create any useful comparisions.

Since the thread was about the price of the bubble king, compare the bubble king 300ext rated at a max tank of 792gal against the Octopus400 rated at a max tank size of 800gal. The bubble king @ $3,500 cost more than three times as much as the Octopus@ $1100.

its a good thing everything in your post is wrong, way to make up numbers to support your point.

fist site I looked at has the BK 300 external at $2200 and the orca at $1250

 

[dcombs44]

Just to add to the conversation, has anyone ever seen the skimmers at a public aquarium? They have ladders on them. You could easilty fit a few people in the collection cup. I'm guessing hundreds of thousands of dollars invested in those. Just reinterating that these prices are mostly derived from the size of the unit as well as the name associated.

 

[mdt178]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12247317#post12247317 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by tmz


Since the thread was about the price of the bubble king, compare the bubble king 300ext rated at a max tank of 792gal against the Octopus400 rated at a max tank size of 800gal. The bubble king @ $3,500 cost more than three times as much as the Octopus@ $1100.

1. The BK 300 is priced at $2200
2. The BK 300 takes 58W to run. The Octo400 takes 260W. In two years in Cali, it will cost over $1000 in electricity for that extra 200W.
3. The BK tank rating is more realistic.

Sure there are skimmers at ~$500-700 like the becketts that can handle larger tanks. But they might not work for everyone.

 

[GottisEgo]

Governer NY spent $31,000 on Escorts, not $31,000 on "1" Escort.

Basically you spending $500 on a Skimmer fits your budget. $3,000-5,000 Skimmer fits my budget. I work in Software, drive a brand new BMW 535i (sorry for bragging, had it for a month now and it's an awesome driving machine) and I can afford it.

It shouldnt be shocking to you that people will spend those kind of figures on equipment. If you make 50K a yr, net maybe $1300 every 2 weeks you'll spend at most 200-400 on a skimmer. Someone making 150-200k a year net's about $5,200-5,500 every 2 weeks can spend 2-3k on a skimmer.

When you start making the big bucks, it wont be so shocking.

 

[tmz]

Bubble King 300 extern $3,500.00
Bubble King 300 extern
Click to enlarge

Bubble-King 300 extern
base plate : 32 x 50 cm
for aquarium from 1200 â€"œ 3000 l/h
2.000 L/H air suction - 6000 l/h water
total height: 80 cm.
pump energy 58 Watt/h

Note..
The displayed sizes are valid for reef aquaria.

For fish tanks you have to deduct one third from displayed sizes.
For example: A fish only tank 3000 Liter = Bubble King 400...

Can't post a link but if you go Reefing Life you'll find this information and this price. Where can I find the 2200 dollar price or are you just making up numbers? Obviously,accusing others of lying to make your point doesn't bother you a bit. So I assume making up numbers wouldn't either. By the way if I ever need an honest latex salesperson, I know where not to go.

 

[TWallace]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12241506#post12241506 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by tkeracer619
If you have the tank your gonna need a skimmer or two.

If skimmers were required equipment, perhaps.

 

[aaronbaker1]

or you could call it a mid life crisis lol. i know what you mean i spent 120 on my skimmer and i am going to have to buy another one when i get my 125 tank.

 

[mdt178]

tmz,
here's a link for a BK300 Ext for $2200 at Premium Aquatics
http://www.premiumaquatics.com/Merc...duct_Code=RE-D300-EX&Category_Code=bubbleking

 

[JoeMomma]

Re: THat's not a Skimmer....THIS IS

Re: THat's not a Skimmer....THIS IS

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12246997#post12246997 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by CleveYank
http://www.dtpetsupplies.com/catalo...tems/1000-PE-Commercial-Protein-Fractionator/

This skimmer is retarded! "84 inch diameter by 148 inch height, dual automatic wash down system. Rated capacity up to 120,000 gallons." You could skim the ocean with this!!! Ok I'm exaggerating, but its still enourmous!

The picture does not do it justice.

 

[dwd5813]

if it's necessary to make an analogy regarding automobiles, think of it as comparing a coupe to an suv. both vehicles will move people and cargo from one point to another, but the suv will move more of both. accordingly, they have different price tags.

 

[Patrick12]

I bought a BK SM 200 and it was $1500.

Considering the investment I have in the hobby, that was not an enormous sum of money. Just think about it....if they didn't sell, they wouldn't make them and they would certainly not cost so much. But, they do sell and that is because they work awesome.

 

[prickles]

Most people seemed ****ed about the money

Most people seemed ****ed about the money

So what seems interesting to me is that people are talking about, "How could you spend so much money on that??"

Remember, life is relative. I remember about 9 years ago I bought a futon and had to really think about the extra $20 for the "upgraded" matress. I spent many times that on fish today and didn't even consider it for more than a second. I of course make more money now than I did then as do most people, and that is the dream, isn't it? If I make it, shouldn't I spend it?

If the guy who just won the $100 million lottery spent 50k on a fish tank, would you really wonder how he could spend that much? HE WON'T NOTICE IT!! I would be jealous but I wouldn't say he wasted his money. Why have money if not to spend it?

People who have these opinions about money really have no imagination. You will learn at some point your time is worth a certain amount of money, and when you have a job that pays $10/hr, picking a product that saves you $15 but costs two more hours in your effort is worth it, but when you make $100/hr that same product won't be worth it and you will buy the more expensive one and save the time.

For the record though, I would never buy a lambo as they are crap. Ferraris are way cooler.

 

[tonyf]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12243378#post12243378 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by da1jewfish
good thread... To answer someones questions the $5995 car was a brand new 01 Hyundai Accent I bought in 01. It was a completely basic model with the only power steering, thats it, but for $5995 can't beat it. It lasted me over 92,000 miles.
Another question: "Whats your point?" The point is why would someone spend $8000 or $16000 (http://www.deltecusa.us/proteinskimmers/ap2602.php) on a skimmer when a $300-$600 would do just about the same thing.... o you want more bubbles, poor baby. WASTE OF MONEY

o yea, a Ferrari or Lambo can't be compared to an overpriced skimmer
Also, a million dollar house can't be compared to the shack that I live in either

Like hero star said what does a $8000 skimmer do that a $500 skimmer doesn't do?

Man of the Sea nailed my point.

Quite simply stated, the $500 skimmer will never do what an $8k skimmer will ... for a start, the $500 skimmer is probably suited to a system no greater than a couple of hundred gallons, the $8k skimmer will probably do a few 1000 gallons ... the Deltec in your link above conditions 6,600 gallons.

Likewise, your Hyundai willl not deliver you to your destination in the same degree style, safety and comfort as a BMW / Merc / Ferrari / Lambo / etc. I know this first hand I bought my wife a little Hyundai for a birthday present a few years ago ... lovely little cheap runabout, but I wouldn't prefer driving it over my 335Ci. Doesn't matter anyway, missus has a Mazda now, LOL. She says her bot feels far more comfortable in the Mazda.

Tone

 

[yeeg]

My tank is 700g and I have a BK 250 External Deluxe...$2100 Cdn...Well worth the money...Dont forget, you get what you pay for...

 

[atzak]

jewfish, why do you care what another adult does with their money? Stop worrying about what other people are doing and go feed your fish, they look hungry