Rare or just a fluke?

[SnowManSnow]

so ive had this monti growing from a small frag for the last year or so. over the last 9 months or so i noticed it started developing splotches of green tissue and polyps. it isn't bleached ares, but is just green.

anyone have any ideas about my "dalmation monti" (ya.. i just made that up)

thanks

 

[Oldude]

Looks to be what's known as "green flourescent protein infection" which is the same phenomenon that created the lengendary A.Simplex that Tyree had a while back. Interesting article about it in what was unfortunately the 4th & final issue of ReefLife Nov/Dec 2009.
Very cool. You may even be able to use that colony to infect some of your other corals.:bounce3:

 

[SnowManSnow]

Ne 1 else?

 

[mpoletti]

In my opinion, The grafting is much like an infection which Greg commented on. There is a possiblity that the corals you don't want to have this happen to will also be infected

 

[SnowManSnow]

If I remember correctly this particular frag was "lost" for a week or so behind the rock work. When I finally found it (or rather discovered it missing and found it) it emerged with these green spots. I'm not sure what happened back there. It was found in a fairly dark place, so it was deprived of good light for a period of time. To my knowledge it hadn't leaned up against any other corals to inherit this pigment.

btw I also read that article in Coral Thats what I was thinking this was, but in that article wasn't his corals affected by actual physically touching?

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[SnowManSnow]

actually, i wonder if I can just contact Tyree and send him over a photo.. see what he thinks?

hah! any idea how to do that?

 

[SnowManSnow]

its interesting that the term infection is being used here. lets remember that GFP is a protein, thus is it part of the corals genome. I haven't read the article but i hope to. The only reasonable hitngs im thinking could have happened here is a bleached spot of the coral that no longer has the red protective pigments that are normally blocking green, or a small chip of a green monti some how grew into the colony....my 2c.

I woul dlove to hear more about the "infection"

there is a lot more science to it, but basically Tyree had a coral that leaned against another coral. The one coral was green and the green color began to "infect" the other coral. I think the term infect is used just because the green protein wasn't native to the original coral.

I don't think the green is produced by either of your 2 suggestions because:
1) As the coral grows new skeleton it is producing new green spots

2) I had the coral from a thumbnail frag and there wasn't a green coral attached:clown:

 

[Genetics]

Do you have any progression pictures? Does the green seem to grow or just appear in certain areas?

@chrisv, are you thinking viral infection? Or possibly transposon interference of coral pigmentation?

 

[SnowManSnow]

Do you have any progression pictures? Does the green seem to grow or just appear in certain areas?

@chrisv, are you thinking viral infection? Or possibly transposon interference of coral pigmentation?

I don't have any decent progression pics.. BUT I remember the whole thing started as a single green polyp. So. it is spreading .. but its WICKED slow..

ALSO, as you can see in one of the pictures, the growth edge of the coral has a green stripe. So it's actually growing green tissue, as opposed to it simply spreading from one area.

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[chrisv]

I have a lot to share on this topic and i think it is meaningful and interesting. I also think that the fact that i study molecular biology and development at Harvard probably gives me an informed perspective on the topic. unfortunately some mods here decided i'm not contributing in a "meaningful enough" way to give me full member benefits. Thus, even though i have worthwhile things to share that the community will probably never get from another source, i will keep them to myself.

I needed 50 posts to view all forums. apparently many of my posts were not deemed to contain worthwhile content. so now im down to 20 again.

The power of a place like reefcentral comes from the lurkers, who chime in with what they REALLY KNOW WELL when the time is appropriate.

go ahead...continue calling this an infection. don't bother to understand the science and the biology. continue to be ignorant.

I know that none of the remaining 30 posts i am required to make will keep anyone from being anything more than that.

so far as i am concerned, i am done making the kinds of contributions that it takes a scientist to make.

 

[luther1200]

I have a lot to share on this topic and i think it is meaningful and interesting. I also think that the fact that i study molecular biology and development at Harvard probably gives me an informed perspective on the topic. unfortunately some mods here decided i'm not contributing in a "meaningful enough" way to give me full member benefits. Thus, even though i have worthwhile things to share that the community will probably never get from another source, i will keep them to myself.

I needed 50 posts to view all forums. apparently many of my posts were not deemed to contain worthwhile content. so now im down to 20 again.

The power of a place like reefcentral comes from the lurkers, who chime in with what they REALLY KNOW WELL when the time is appropriate.

go ahead...continue calling this an infection. don't bother to understand the science and the biology. continue to be ignorant.

I know that none of the remaining 30 posts i am required to make will keep anyone from being anything more than that.

so far as i am concerned, i am done making the kinds of contributions that it takes a scientist to make.

A post like that calling people ignorant is zero help. So who is really ignorant? And after that post I couldn't care less how informed your view is I don't want to hear it anyway.

 

[dc]

I have a lot to share on this topic and i think it is meaningful and interesting. I also think that the fact that i study molecular biology and development at Harvard probably gives me an informed perspective on the topic. unfortunately some mods here decided i'm not contributing in a "meaningful enough" way to give me full member benefits. Thus, even though i have worthwhile things to share that the community will probably never get from another source, i will keep them to myself.

I needed 50 posts to view all forums. apparently many of my posts were not deemed to contain worthwhile content. so now im down to 20 again.

The power of a place like reefcentral comes from the lurkers, who chime in with what they REALLY KNOW WELL when the time is appropriate.

go ahead...continue calling this an infection. don't bother to understand the science and the biology. continue to be ignorant.

I know that none of the remaining 30 posts i am required to make will keep anyone from being anything more than that.

so far as i am concerned, i am done making the kinds of contributions that it takes a scientist to make.

Your removed posts hardly reflected on your education. You posted a bunch of fluff posts to get to 50, sorry that's hardly contributing.

*ETA* You slammed out 41 posts out today FWIW.

 

[SnowManSnow]

I have a lot to share on this topic and i think it is meaningful and interesting. I also think that the fact that i study molecular biology and development at Harvard probably gives me an informed perspective on the topic. unfortunately some mods here decided i'm not contributing in a "meaningful enough" way to give me full member benefits. Thus, even though i have worthwhile things to share that the community will probably never get from another source, i will keep them to myself.

I needed 50 posts to view all forums. apparently many of my posts were not deemed to contain worthwhile content. so now im down to 20 again.

The power of a place like reefcentral comes from the lurkers, who chime in with what they REALLY KNOW WELL when the time is appropriate.

go ahead...continue calling this an infection. don't bother to understand the science and the biology. continue to be ignorant.

I know that none of the remaining 30 posts i am required to make will keep anyone from being anything more than that.

so far as i am concerned, i am done making the kinds of contributions that it takes a scientist to make.

Thanks for your help.

have a good one

 

[sjfishguy]

So he has a chance to make a worthwhile post and says this? Why wouldn't he just share than. Thanks for your help all knowing "scientist," haha.

Anyway, very interesting. I remember seeing a thread of another guy that had an acro that had all kinds of blotchy colors, but much more striking than this.

 

[JosefDevaty]

I know that World Wide Corals has a red cap with green. Its actually become a Tyree LE. Check out their site or reeffarmers and see if its the same kind of thing you are seeing.

 

[chrisv]

I'm actually pretty content to know that i have answers that you probably wont be able to find in the reef community.

like i said: the power of this place lies in the lurking experts who can chime in when they have an answer that others don't. you don't need me to tell peopel about how to reduce nitrates. Anyone can do that. That is not what makes it a resource that is of higher quality than other forums. Its the ability to find answers to higher level questions that matters. These are the answers you cannot find in a reef keeping book.

Yes, I was specifically posting to build up my post count. Frankly i think posts agreeing with what other people say are some of the most relevant kinds of posts on the forum considering how much bad advice is passed along on the boards. To agree or disagree is all one can do to lend weight to the forum's content. THis place is full of people who have kept marine aquariums for a very long time, but its also full of people who have kept them for a year and think they know the hobby inside and out. With out people supporting on negating the content, there is no peer review and thus credibility.

is this arrogant of me to say? YES. But is is also valid.

 

[Ian]

I have a lot to share on this topic and i think it is meaningful and interesting. I also think that the fact that i study molecular biology and development at Harvard probably gives me an informed perspective on the topic. unfortunately some mods here decided i'm not contributing in a "meaningful enough" way to give me full member benefits. Thus, even though i have worthwhile things to share that the community will probably never get from another source, i will keep them to myself.

I needed 50 posts to view all forums. apparently many of my posts were not deemed to contain worthwhile content. so now im down to 20 again.

The power of a place like reefcentral comes from the lurkers, who chime in with what they REALLY KNOW WELL when the time is appropriate.

go ahead...continue calling this an infection. don't bother to understand the science and the biology. continue to be ignorant.

I know that none of the remaining 30 posts i am required to make will keep anyone from being anything more than that.

so far as i am concerned, i am done making the kinds of contributions that it takes a scientist to make.

So, are you threatening the rest of us RC members by with holding this pertinent information to get at the Mods? A little passive/aggressive, aren't we?

Do you expect the rest of us to go on strike or something?

To the original poster, this is only something I have read as well as discussed with Steve Garrett whom has an A. Divicarta dubbed the 'green jacketed acro' as well as a red milliopora, show the same type of infection, in a 12' system where the infected corals were feet away from any green colored corals. He seemed to think the green coral, in this case a green pocillipora, had spawned in his system and the affected coral may have ingested the green pigments released by the poci's and the corals then produced it in their own skin.

I don't claim to be a scientist nor do I have any proof to back this up. It's just something discussed with someone that had this happen.

I will also mention that Steve Garrett tried gluing corals to the pocci, grinding them together, placing them near one another and Im sure he tried other things and none produced the infection leading him to believe it was something ingested by the coral...

 

[aurora]

I'm actually pretty content to know that i have answers that you probably wont be able to find in the reef community.

like i said: the power of this place lies in the lurking experts who can chime in when they have an answer that others don't. you don't need me to tell peopel about how to reduce nitrates. Anyone can do that. That is not what makes it a resource that is of higher quality than other forums. Its the ability to find answers to higher level questions that matters. These are the answers you cannot find in a reef keeping book.

Yes, I was specifically posting to build up my post count. Frankly i think posts agreeing with what other people say are some of the most relevant kinds of posts on the forum considering how much bad advice is passed along on the boards. To agree or disagree is all one can do to lend weight to the forum's content. THis place is full of people who have kept marine aquariums for a very long time, but its also full of people who have kept them for a year and think they know the hobby inside and out. With out people supporting on negating the content, there is no peer review and thus credibility.

is this arrogant of me to say? YES. But is is also valid.

Man!!! (...or Woman!!!)....you forgot to take your medication today.

 

[Johnny C]

ChrisV- Nobody cares what you think about RC and your issues with it. If you were so informative you'd have a LOT more than 23 posts in the two years you've been a member. Even if you are as educated as you claim, your lack of respect and maturity won't keep you on this (or any) forum very long. Find a place to pout besides on this thread, thanks. :thumbdown

To the OP; I'm sorry to derail this thread further. Your montipora is very unique, I hope to find out more about it!

 

[dc]

I think we're done here.