Setup cost

j007dreamer

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I have a 40 Gallon Tank with out any of the equipment can some one give me a idea of what all the stuff would cost to get it running if i have the tank already. i got about $300.00 to spend can i do it with that ?


I would need to buy the lights ?
the skimmer?
the LR ?
the filter ?

Am i leaving out anything

anyone know how much those lights are going to kill me on my electric bill ?

I would like to be able to keep some LR and maybe a few corals and a clowen fish with anemone
 
It looks like you know what you want. Just be warned that if an anemone decides to take a stroll around the tank, all the corals it touches will be damaged and/or die. Remember, Clownfish also don't need anemones. I would suggest powerful PCs as a minimum lighting for Bubble Tip Anemones and Long Tentacle Anemones. They will most likely wander a lot to find the place with just the right light. You will most likely need VHOs as a minimum for all the other anemones.

Might I suggest this to start out with. Tank/Stand/Canopy; live rock (preferably 1lb-1.5lb/gallon); Deep Sand Bed (optional - read up on bare bottom tanks); Normal Output Lights. You're going to have to wait about a month for your tank to cycle. In that time, jsut save your money. After your cycle is done, I would wait another two weeks for things to settle. This will have given you enough time to research anemones, research tank chemistry, lighting requirements, prospective corals. Then after that two weeks is up, I would get the lighting designed for the anemone. Then wait a couple days and search for a few anemones. Ask the LFS if they can hold it for observation. Purchase it when everything is good. Acclimate carefully to the tank. And give it about a week to a month to settle in. This should help the anemone find a place that it really likes. That way, when you do start to add corals, it won't walk around killing everything. After you're done getting your anemone settled, I would then suggest reasearching filtration methods. Find one that you like. Sump/Refugium/Skimmer is the most popular method, but you can have a tank with no filtration, and just do a 10% water change every two weeks. The live rock and sand will act as the filtration for you. I hope that helps
 
Welcome to Reef Central!

From everything I have read, a good estimate is that it will cost you $50.00 per gallon to get everything set up initially.

This is a very good estimate, even though I know I am way over that. Why, because I have doubles of almost everything. In order to avoid that situation do your homework first. Figure out exactly what you want to keep and buy the proper equipment in the first place.

Your electric bill will vary depending on the strength of the lighting you decide to use, but should not bee too harsh for a 40 gallon tank.

HTH and good luck!
 
That $300 will be eaten up by just the live rock alone unless you find a really good deal somewhere. Then you gotta buy salt, a refractometer or at least a hydrometer, heater, test kits....I could go on. :)
 
Just make sure you get a strong skimmer. Ive spent close to $6,000 so far on my 90 gallon and it hasnt even been a year yet and I think I am trying my best to be a bargain hunter. I would say to do as much research first. You can sometimes get great deals on the used good selling forums, so keep an eye out over there.
 
Not to discourage you, but you could very easily spend most of the $300 on LR alone.

If you're on a limited budget, it might be a very good idea to look into buying some items used -- perhaps the light fixture and skimmer. However, don't buy just anything because it's cheap and you can afford it right now -- do some research and figure out what skimmer and type of lighting you want. You may have to wait until some of the items you want become available used, but if you can get something half the cost of new, it's usually worth the wait if it's in good working condition.

We bought our tank, stand, canopy, skimmer, PC fixture, and some other smaller goodies used to help us save some money -- and we ended up paying less than 1/3 of new for what we got.

Good luck!
 
Actually let me give you a list and estimates along:
Skimmer: Atleast $200 for a decent skimmer that will do the job for your size tank. (are you planning to have a sump or everything hang on?)

Test kits, salt additives: $75

What I would do for live rock is buy a bunch of base rock and seed it with about 15 -20lbs of some really nice cured live rock. That will do the trick. Soon that base rock will be live.

Are you going barebottom or using a subsrate (sand?)

Lights (est: $100 -400 depending on what kind of setup you're interested in)


This is just skimming the surface there are so many other variables involved. Can you be a little more detailed into exactly what kind of setup you want and what kind of animals you plan to hold in the besides the anemone and clown?
 
Well... You would have to do soft or LPS (large polyp) corals...
PC light: $135
40lbs LR: $250
Corlife 65gal skimmer: $150
Aquarium for sump, pumps, test kits, sand etc: $200
RO filter for water: $100
160 gal of IO salt: $40
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Total: $875

The electric will cost..
Light: 100watts
Pumps: 100watts
 
to be honest im really not sure, I wanted to start with a fish only tank as to get a feel for everything and then buy as i went along. but im being told by some other post that is not the best idea.

I really only want the clown and maybe some tang. I wanted to try and keep it simple to start with.

but from what im seeing it doesn't seem like a simple set up to start can happen ?
 
No tangs in a tank that small. And "fish only" is just an abbreviated version of Fish Only with Live Rock.
 
Well j007, you need to realize that the hobby is complex and a great learning adventure. Honestly nothing is simple in this hobby. I have been doing this since I was about 17 and now 2 years later, I still feel like a newbie.
I also think that if all the funds are not available to start the hobby, I think you should delay it until you have the funds available. You would be much happier if you did. You would have the convenience of good/strong equipment to filter your tank and other misc. items which will make the hobby more of a pleasant experience. Just dont buy anything just because its cheap. Research its rep here on RC and other boards see what other ppl say, then look into getting it.
 
$300 seems like a lot of money and is, relatively speaking, but setting up a nice aquarium can run you lots more money than $300.

You can spend $300 just on live rock alone or a real nice skimmer. So, you need to really make some tough decisions here. But I would think you could get yourself started here with that budget.

To begin with, you will need:

1: a heater ($20. or so),
2: salt (another $20 or so),
3: a guage to determine your salinity ($5-10 maybe),
4: a powerhead or two ($20-40).
5: lights (basic probably around $30-50 (a guess) to a couple of hundred). I would recommend power compacts (I bought mine at www.ahsupply.com, you build them yourself)
6: filter ($40--although not really needed if you go live rock and/or live sand and skimmer).

A skimmer is definitely recommended. Costs vary, probably starting somewhere around $120. on up.

Have I forgotten anything? Do you need a stand to set your tank on? It does need to be supported properly as it will weigh upwards of 350 pounds plus or so. (be sure to put your aquarium near an electrical outlet).

This is just basics to get you started. If you want to use live rock and live sand, that stuff probably goes for up to $6-7-8 a pound or so.

What I would do is buy "base" or "tufa" or "lace" rock or something like that for one or two dollars a pound. Put in 30 or 40 pounds (or whatever) along with the sand (depending on depth) maybe 50-100 pounds. If you plan on having a sand substrate, you could start out using some type of cheap play sand, etc (do a search here). Once you have your tank cycled, etc, then you can add a piece or two of live rock, pound or two of live sand to help "liven" things up a little and get a few critters in there.

Don't forget the cost of your clown fish, probably $25-30 or so. I have a percula clown that I've had several years and he has never had an anenome to play with (I don't have the lighting system needed for one). I would eventually throw in some snails and crabs (although most people don't like hermit crabs, I do). My lfs sells them/snails for 6 per $12.00.

I'm sure I'm missing a few things here. But, just the "basics really" will probably stretch your budget out. You could probably start out without a skimmer (although not advised) and get one later down the road.

Most people, myself included, start out buying the cheaper, less expensive things which will work OK for a while, but then wish that they had started out with the higher priced, higher quality items in the beginning. But money is usually very hard to come by and most of us are not willing to wait that few extra weeks/months to save and buy the better equipment.

Sorry for the rambling long post, but hope this helps you a little.

Frank
 
thanks frank

Someone at the local fish store told me to get a BIO WHEEL 200 filter for like 50$ and a counter current skimmer for $50

He said this would work, is that true ?
 
Everyone here will tell you its not enough, the reason they say this is based on how much money they have spent over time. The investment never ends.
In my opinion you have enough to start your cycle which can take even two months( giving you more time to save money).
But lets work with what you have. First you should buy some live sand,live rock, heater and I would suggest the emporer 400 for a biological filter. Water is cheap so don't stress it. I have found some good rock at marinedepot.com for an ok price, and ebay too.
In my opinion I like a variety of rock I wait until I see something I really like at the LFS and then I buy it. So you really don't have to go out and buy 1.5 pounds per gallon right away. Now they will say at least 1-2 gallons is good for your tank,especially when you have fish.BUT since you have not even started you cycle I'm sure you can get away with a little less rock.
Don't take any steps back. DO IT TO IT!:bum:
 
I forgot one thing everyone is talking about a skimmer. And yes It is very good idea to get a skimmer, but the skimmer can wait until your cycle is done.
 
What about those nano reefs that come with everything you need ? those small cube like ones ?

you think it would be better to just start with something like that ?
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7130874#post7130874 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by sruiz
Everyone here will tell you its not enough, the reason they say this is based on how much money they have spent over time. The investment never ends.
In my opinion you have enough to start your cycle which can take even two months( giving you more time to save money).
But lets work with what you have. First you should buy some live sand,live rock, heater and I would suggest the emporer 400 for a biological filter. Water is cheap so don't stress it. I have found some good rock at marinedepot.com for an ok price, and ebay too.
In my opinion I like a variety of rock I wait until I see something I really like at the LFS and then I buy it. So you really don't have to go out and buy 1.5 pounds per gallon right away. Now they will say at least 1-2 gallons is good for your tank,especially when you have fish.BUT since you have not even started you cycle I'm sure you can get away with a little less rock.
Don't take any steps back. DO IT TO IT!:bum:

I disagree with just about everything about this post. I am telling this person that they should slow down based on my experiences as a newbie with a budget from only a little over a year ago. Why buy that emperor when your bio filtering should come from your live rock. You spend the money on the emperor and eventually get your live rock and you don't need the filter anymore...money wasted. Adding live rock a little at a time is not that great as the rock will often experience die off and result in "mini-cycles" in the tank which can be unhealthy for your tank inhabitants. And to me to encourage someone to hurry up and start their tank without researching and getting some knowledge on the topic is leading them down the wrong path.
 
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