severe water electrocution HELP!

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The other day I went to move a knocked over coral in my tank. As soon as my thumb first hit the water and I locked up couldn't move and started screaming..
luckily my wife was there and pulled me out by my shirt.
QUESTION IS! I need to know how to tell what is going on so i can fix it..
I can't exactly plug things in one at a time till i get electrocuted again..
as of right now thumb is bruised my arm feels heavy and i have some muscle break down so I can't just "keep testing the water"
I do have a multimeter and the like how do i make sure that its safe..
ofcourse all my snails and fish are enjoying knocking EVERYTHING over just to spite me..
I'm terrified to touch my tank plz help.
 
Wow, that sounds like quite a shock! Is the tank on a GFI outlet?

I think you should be able to put a lead from your multimeter in the tank and a lead to any ground and see what voltage you get. But voltage means nothing without amps and I am not sure your multimeter measures amps. But in either case you should not have any voltage passing through the tank.
 
I would start with the heater... then the skimmer.

I had to replace my skimmer pump a few months ago because of the same thing. Everything seemed fine in terms of the livestock. Hard to put your finger back in knowing what might happen.

Good luck
 
Because the fish are a part of the circuit, they could care less. With everything plugged in, do as mentioned above with your multimeter, then start unplugging things one at a time ontil the voltagedrops back to 0. You have found the culprit. Replace the offending item and you should be good to go.
And get the GFCI circuit you need installed - if you don't know how, hire an electrician so it is done correctly.
 
whats a good thing to ground it on?
and this wasn't a standard tingle that happens and I'm fine this was my arm still doesn't move right a few days later muscle breakdown zap
 
With everything plugged in, do as mentioned above with your multimeter, then start unplugging things one at a time until the voltage drops back to 0. You have found the culprit. Replace the offending item and you should be good to go.
And get the GFCI circuit you need installed - if you don't know how, hire an electrician so it is done correctly.

Yup, agreed on the procedure. AND GET GFCI's installed of your aquarium circuits NOW before you really get hurt.
 
whats a good thing to ground it on?

Put one lead from the multimeter in the water, the other in the ground part of the receptacle (provided the receptacle is wired correctly to the house's circuit box, and the circuit box is wired correctly to ground). You probably could use a water pipe (as long as they are copper) as well to ground a lead.
When you do that, you should get a voltage reading on the multimeter.
 
haysanatar; Glad you're still with us. That was a close one.

Let's get to it!
For starters there was no electrocution unless someone had to resuscitate you. You got shocked. Badly shocked it sounds like but "shocked".

For general knowledge I will run down the proper troubleshooting method for this too common system ailment.

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Troubleshooting your shocking tank.
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You need a voltmeter capable of measuring your house/system's actual voltage.

In the USA that will be 120V AC.

Fundamentally the method of troubleshooting a shocking tank is to replace the shocked human with a voltmeter to provide a safe and definitive indication of the problem and a way to to prove subsequent correction.

Before I can continue to discuss this I need to state that if you are at all concerned with your ability to do this, you should NOT do it, but should get someone experienced to help you on location.

Theory.

In all domestic power systems there are three circuits.
One is generally called the "HOT". This is essentially the "source" power.
One is called the "RETURN" or "neutral" and is the designated path of power return to the utility.
One is called "GROUND" or "earth" an alternative return path used only for safety.

In a perfect system all power arrives on the HOT and returns on the RETURN.

The GROUND is required in the USA to always be hooked or 'bonded' to the NEUTRAL or RETURN at the dwelling power panel and only at the dwelling power panel.

This means that any appliance could actually be powered by using the HOT and the GROUND and it would perform identically. This would be a very bad thing to do and is actually illegal as the safety a ground could provide would be compromised if this was done. The reason I point this out is to point out that the ground is a perfectly good return as far as the HOT is concerned.

Where is the ground? As far as you are concerned it's everywhere. The wood you stand on, the dirt your house is sitting on, the concrete your floor is made of, the Linoleum, the carpet, tile. In short anything that can conduct even tiny amounts of electricity and is ultimately tied to dirt somewhere. What would not be GROUND would be that dry glass or acrylic you're standing on or dry plastic.

What is happening when you get shocked is you are being connected to the HOT due to a mechanical failure while being also connected to the GROUND. You do not always die through electrocution because the complete circuit through your body includes your skin resistance and other resistances in either the HOT part of the circuit or the ground part of the circuit. Perhaps your carpet, the pad under it, the wood below that, have enough resistance to limit the current to below fatal amounts. This is why you need to be careful troubleshooting a problem because if the shoes, and floor are the only thing limiting the current through you, to below fatal levels, you could touch something like your light fixture that's solidly grounded and suddenly have a fatal current flow. This why messing about trying to fix a shocking tank can be so dangerous. In the process you could lower the resistance and.... find yourself.. pushing up daisies.


Back to my original point; that we want to replace you with a voltmeter. Here in lies the one difficulty. You can't just throw one of your voltmeter leads on the floor and call that GROUND. That ground connection is complex through your feet/shoes/sweat/etc. We need a solid ground to hook our GROUND probe of our voltmeter to. This is actually the hardest part of troubleshooting our shocking tank.

The first thing we must do is find a reliable ground for our ground reference. How to do this.. In most homes now in the USA our outlets are grounded outlets. They have three prongs. Again, one is the HOT, one is the RETURN, and one is the GROUND.

We will cover the lack of a GROUNDed outlet in the troubleshooting below.

Here we go:

1) We need to prepare the meter. Set your meter to a setting that will not be exceeded by measuring your power and doesn't exceed the meter's ratings. You need a setting that exceeds 120VAC in the USA. It can be 200V, or 400V, or whatever. Make sure you select AC volts as your meters will also do DC and since we are only looking at AC will read zero all the time if set to DC, possibly leading you into a dangerous situation. Also make sure the leads are in the correct holes of the meter to measure AC volts NOT AMPS. If you accidentally leave the leads in the A or mA holes your meter will either blow an internal fuse, blow the internal measurement resistor, or explode in your hand. You don't want that to happen..

2) We need to prove the meter is working. Go to a receptacle and stick one probe in one hole and the other probe in another hole. You should see your country's domestic power voltage displayed. If you don't, review your meter settings, then rearrange the probes to every possible combination in the receptacle holes until you do see the correct voltage(~120V there is no more 110V in the US. Don't be archaic by calling something '110'). Once you see the voltage wiggle your lead wires to prove your test leads/probe aren't flaky. This is important because they often are flaky and, as stated, you don't want a flaky meter misleading you in this life-safety exercise.

3) OK, we've proven your meter is doing its job. Now we need to find a GROUND. Go to your aquarium outlet. We need to troubleshoot the actual aquarium outlet because it could be miswired. With USA three prong outlets we do this by holding one probe in one slot and trying the other probe in the remaining two slots. The one slot that gives the country voltage when the other probe is in, either of the other two slots, is the HOT. Note which it is. In the USA the narrow slot shall be the HOT, the wide slot shall be the RETURN or NEUTRAL, and the middle funky slot shall be the ground. So our above test should confirm that the meter probe in the narrow slot and the other in either remaining slot should give the desired country voltage reading.

Note: The USA voltage could be 115VAC clear to 130VAC. Do not concern yourself with this variation.

4) SPECIAL CASE: If we have no official ground because we have only two prong outlets, then we need to find an unofficial ground! How? This is where we need some ingenuity. If you're in a USA house and you have a grounded outlet somewhere else you can use it. Perhaps an outdoors outlet, or one in the garage, or one in the kitchen, or bathroom. Use a grounded extension cord. Plug it into the grounded outlet and bring the receptacle end over to your tank outlet. (In the USA make sure your meter is set to at least twice your country power before proceeding.) Proceed with "finding the HOT" routine above with ONLY the extension cord outlet. Locate the HOT. If both the other holes work to complete the circuit you can assume the normal center one is ground. You will then use this ground for further testing at your tank outlet.

If you have no other grounded, three prong, properly installed outlets in your abode then we need to get draconian on finding a ground.

Move around your house with your meter. Find something metallic like a water pipe, or a steel gas pipe, or a faucet, or the metal screw holding your outlet covers on. Stick one lead on the candidate and the other into into nearby outlet slots. See if you read your country voltage. Do this until you are successful in finding an unofficial GROUND.

Once you have located a GROUND you need to conduct it over to your tank outlet. Get some wire of any kind. Strip the insulation off the end. Tape the wire to your new found GROUND. Run the other end over by your tank outlet. Now, using your meter, run the "find the HOT" test to prove you have a HOT, RETURN, and this new temporary GROUND.

Tape one of your leads to the ground lead, or get someone to hold the meter test probe into the GROUNDED outlet's confirmed ground hole. If someone is just holding it they have to be diligent at it as it's easy to have your little probe tip miss the actual ground conductor inside the receptacle. If your outlet is grounded, often, the screw holding the plate on is also and can be a better place to actually hold the ground probe. You can also loosen that screw and temporarily wrap a wire around it and tighten it back up. Tape the other end of the wire to the GROUND meter probe for hands free work.


Whew! Now we can proceed with the actual troubleshooting.

5) Once you have your GROUND probe situation set up test it again. Stick the other meter probe into the HOT slot on your tank receptacle. If it reads the country voltage, as it should, you're good to go! Do this occasionally to reconfirm your meter is telling you the truth. A miss read could kill you.

Take the non GROUND probe and stick the tip in your tank. If it reads nothing or some tiny voltage under about 3V then presently your tank is electrically safe. But wait! You must make sure everything is powered that ever gets powered. Is the heater actually ON? Are the lights ON? Are all the pumps running? The power heads? The pH probes, the fans, the air pumps, the skimmers? The chiller? You must be thorough in your investigation. There are ways that, say, a heater could be faulty but only when it's ON. You really want to see anything that could even remotely be the problem. If you have proven to your satisfaction that nothing was left out and you have no reading, then if you were to stick your hand in, no current could flow. You wouldn't be shocked or electrocuted.

Now the flip side. You stick the non GROUNDED probe into your tank and GET A READING over 50V! This is what we fear. Now with your voltmeter stand-in you can safely and confidently proceed with hunting down the culprit. You still need to be careful as nothing has been done to prevent your being shocked. What ever you do don't bring yourself into contact with the water. Unplug all your devices and replug them in, one at a time, until the offender is found. Remove it. If it's anything that resides in the water like heaters, or power heads, or pumps, there is no way to safely repair them, discard it after cutting the power cord off. If it is something like a lighting fixture that doesn't depend on seals or potting material then you could conceivably find and repair the problem. It could be a broken or frayed wire that could be successfully repaired.

As you can see the actual troubleshooting is straight forward and easy, it's finding the GROUND that's the hardest part.

Have at it haysanatar! If you don't feel competent enough to follow this to the letter please get some help.

AND your recent experience is exactly why without exception ALL outlet powered devices in EVERY aquarium should be plugged into GFI outlets.
 
In addition to some equipment being faulty your electrical supply is unsuitable.

I recommend you shut off the breaker for anything plugged into the tank and replace the outlet with one that is GFI equipped before you or someone else gets badly hurt/killed. If you aren't up to that kind of job then hire someone. Do it today if at all possible.

Finding the bad equipment could be done a variety of ways but I expect a meter is superior to the thumb test. You are looking for voltage(high). After unplugging everythging and anything. You could set your meter to read AC voltage black probe to ground, red probe to water and test each item individually. Don't become part of the circuit whatever you do.

Be very cautious. It could be something that isn't even in your tank. Could you have been touching the light reflector at the time? A table lamp nearby?.

I take no responsibility for anything you may do based on reading my ramblings.
 
I was reading until kcress posted....LOL. Sorry, I just don't have the energy to make it through that post this close to 5. However, I would recommend a grounding probe be installed AFTER you isolate and fix the problem.
 
Dumb question here. What difference does it make to have a gfi plug and how would that keep you from getting shocked?

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Dumb question here. What difference does it make to have a gfi plug and how would that keep you from getting shocked?

A GFI receptacle is a circuit breaker built into a receptacle. As long as the electricity is ONLY flowing through the Hot and Common (return) wires, it will stay closed. As soon as it senses electricity running through the Ground, the circuit breaker within the receptacle will trip and break the circuit, thus probably (most likely) saving your life (or at very least reducing the shock you will get).
 
In lay terms, the GFCI "interrupts" the current if it senses that too much current is being pulled. In other words, if there's a short and you put your hand in...the current is "drawn" to you. The GFCI will "trip" if this happens and the little "button" will pop out, instead of actually electrocuting you.

edit: L8ndeb beat me to it...damn!...lol
 
Thank you for explaining. I will add this to my to do list for my dad this weekend. So easy to get work out of him grill or throw something on the smoker and he will work all day lol.

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kcress that was very thorough. I had a skimmer pump go bad after a year and found out the hard way, with my arm in the water. the bad part is the replacement pump was bad as well and it was new. the second replacment pump was good. Good luck finding your leak.
 
The most important thing is that you are ok.

After you've determined which device(s) is giving out stray voltage to your tank, I would suggest purchasing the following for your future safety.

1) Ground Probe
2) One of the 3 Shock Buster Portable GFCI's available if you can't wing hardwiring a GFCI in your wall.
 
there was no electrocution unless someone had to resuscitate you. You got shocked. Badly shocked it sounds like but "shocked".

Important distinction! Someone posting on the forum after an electrocution would be kinda spooky. :fun5:

Great post kcress. :thumbsup: Solid Advice. The importance of GFCI outlets when working around water and electricity cannot be stressed enough.

Not only that, but remember to test your GFCIs occasionally. They do fail sometimes, and that little button on the front can save your life.
 
i am glad you are ok. heater skimmers and power heads are most likely to fail and pass voltage to water as all those devices mostly run on 120v and higher amp(3A+) and are submerged.
 
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