spotted sweetlips feeding

tobasdad

In Memoriam
About a month ago, I inherited (saved from a photo shoot) a spotted sweetlips.

It appears happy & healthy. It is out swimming all day.
The sweetlips is constantly nibbling at the live rock. It swims all around, nibling away.

Do you think it is getting real food this way (pods, algae, etc), or is this a vain attempt by it to eat? Any thoughts/experience?

I have tried every conceivable frozen, fresh, prepared, flake, pellet, etc. It will not eat what I feed.

In a month, I have NEVER seen it take a bite of any food that I have added to the tank.

Please, any help would be greatly appreciated.

You can see specs/tankmates in my sig.
 
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while I am an undying optimist in many ways... I also cannot deny statistics.

There are few fishes in the hobby trade that are so categorically unsuitable for captivity as the entire group/family of fishes we know as "sweetlips"

The staggering majority of them suffer a slow death by starvation.

The few that do eat prepared foods still die dietary deficiency sooner rather than later.

And if all that were not true, and our/your best hopes bear out... namely - the fish lives and thrives, we are then faced with the sobering reality that they have an adult size of about 2 feet long and cannot live full lives in any home aquarium I've ever seen.

in this case, the harlequin sweetlips is cited as growing over 2 feet long :(

http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/Spe...ame=Plectorhinchus&speciesname=chaetodonoides

sigh...

That all said, I have seen a 14 year old specimen of this species in (believe it or not) a modest 500 gallon aquarium. The keeper kept this as the only fish in that tank for its whole life.

And... the fish was lovingly fed live fishes (brackish livebearer's and saltwater fishes on occasion) that were kept faithfully in a quarantine tank for 4-8 weeks before use as prey... AND... the prey was "gut-loaded" (stuffed with nutritious froze and dry meaty and green based foods). A remarkable aquarist.

I am sorry to say that your fish is almost certainly going to die prematurely.

And while I can fully empathize with your motivation for "saving" it... I'd like to take this opportunity to remind others that buying a hopeless fish from a merchant not only does not save the specimen, but rather encourages the reorder of another to fill the void (and kills who knows how many others in the process of collection and import just to get one live one to the merchant).

I realize that you did not buy this one, my friend. Again, I was just using the post as an opportunity to build a(nother) warning for others in the archives.

For this fish... do try to offer it gut loaded live food: guppies fed dry and frozen foods... and ghost shrimp fed Beta Glucan (from the GNC health food store... immunity boosting matter).

However... if there are any other community fishes in the tank (damsels, wrasses, clowns, tangs, etc.) this will not work. Sweetlips are easily disturbed/intimidated and put off their feed by the activity of typical community fishes... even if the tankmates do not literally nip or harass them.

I wish I had better news, mate :(
 
I was tempted to say it... but am not a fan of it.

If it was my fish... I'd start live food cultures (bare bottomed tanks with sponge filters to hold guppies and ghost shrimp respectively)... gut load the prey... and have hope as long as the fish started or kept eating.

But if it does/is not eating well and losing weight... sigh :(
 
I have a lot of other fish in the tank who are going to compete for food. It's ironic, I inherited this with a longnose filefish (yeah, I know). I was so worried about the filefish, I really didn't do much research on the sweetlipsl. Luckily, the file is eating like a champ
 
perhaps remit the fish to a lit sump... or tap in a (temporary) drilled refugium inline. It could simply be a 10 gallon sitting above the tank and fed by a power head or return pump... or just stealing gravity overflow water on the way down tothe sump. It doesn;t even have to be an aquarium, just a water holding vessel like a Rubbermaid food bin or the like.

Thus... system water is shared... additional filtration/tank expenses are spared... and this fish gets a quiet place to stabilize and eat.

Else... let me suggest you offer him to a local/regional aquarist. Being from NY, you have more than a few big marine clubs in your/our region. Upstate NY, several in NYC, Phili, Boston, several others in NE. Do check the clubs forum here at RC perhaps. And please do pass along the advice to gut-load live prey.

best of luck!

Anthony
 
So the store sold the filefish and a sweetlips together for the same purpose, to be used in a photo shoot, along with 9 other fish :mad2:
two of the hardest too care for fish that have no right being sold to hobbiest.
I'm so glad the filefish is eating.
Maybe everyone can pitch in at MR and try to save the sweetlips. I'll post something there.
I'm :mad: .
 
Anthony,

I don't know how much to make of this, but the sweetlips ate twice today. Definitely, seen with my own eyes. It eate formula 2 pellets this afternoon, and frozen angel formula this evening.

michael
 
as per above my friend... the problem is not only that they won't eat per se... but that the won't survive on prepared foods (dieing slowly of a dietary deficiency).

This is a common misconception about numerous difficult fishes. Most can in fact be lured to eat in time.

Even if yours survives on prepared foods... there is still the issue of needing what amounts to a public aquarium sized display to stave of stunting and premature death for what should be a 2 foot long + fish in a matter of years if given proper care.

Any way you slice it... I'd be surprised to see this fish live to see 6 months if even 2 more months. I'd be floored to see it live even 2 years in a community home aquarium.

I'm sorry, mate :(
 
So far, so good. It is still eating regularly, though timidly. It constantly picks at the live rock (eating pods?) and will pick at whatever else I feed the tank (always fortified with Zoecon or Selcon and garlic)

Any change in your prognosis?
 
Indeed... I do hope to hear of your success. But again, few live beyond 2 years. Over 2 years would be unique and fabulous!

If you would be so kind... do let us know if/when the fish does not survive. It will help as well with the current (but evolving) consensus of the suitability for keeping these fishes.

Please don't let 2 months of survival bolster your hopes too greatly. The majority of fishes will make it for some weeks after import.
 
I purchased my Sweetlips from a Petland Discounts here in the city as I was begining to build up my reef aquarium. The store said that the sweetlips was quite harty (LIAR).

I have had him for 3 months now, and have not had any issues. This morning I noticed he was lethargic, swimming slowly in place, not going anywhere. Tonight, I saw him do a few somersaults and is currently upsideown under a rock (after I pushed him away from the surface). I doubt he will live through the night.

I wish I had knows what I know now after reading this thread as I have grown VERY attached to "Spot" as my wife calls him (no points for originality).
 
Trying my luck with a dotted sweetlips, eats like a pig, in fact was easiest fish ever owned to get to eat pellets from 5 mins of being in the tank. Eats pretty much anything in the dry food range. Is an extremely friendly fish and not timid at all, last one to go and hide, always follows you around hoping for more food. Never heard of one growing more than 6 inches in captivity but am a stone throw from the tropical sea so if he does grow too big he will head back to the Indian Ocean. Video here http://youtu.be/wwCi-SbJx_g

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Thanks for sharing, yes they are hard to keep. Try some worms. I don't know if you have access to black worms. I would also try to get him eating alot of seafood pieces- mysis for sure. best of luck
 
I had a Spotted Sweetlips I bought in August before knowing this thread was posted. Mine made it just 6 days. Swam very slowly. Would not compete for food. Eventually found him laying on his side tucked under a rock. Pretty fish, but like Anthony said...not a very good chance of survival in the home aquarium unless you're either very lucky or very good.
 
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