Sump Design & Water Management

ppurcell

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Hi, I'm redesigning my sump and make up water system (based on Stockmans design) and I would very much like to get some comments and feedback before I start buying and building.

Here is .jpg of the design:

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The basic idea is that RODI water flows in the lower Rubbermaid stock tank and the pump (protected from running dry by a low water float/relay) in that tank is on a timer which pushes the water to the upper stock tank for 15 minutes every 12 hours or so. Hopefully, this should help keep the RODI from cycling on-off frequently. Make-up water flows from the upper tank through the kalk reactor into the sump. There is a pH controller to prevent overdosing which will shut off the water supply to the kalk reactor if the tank pH rises too high.

Flood control:
Bottom Rubbermaid tub has an overflow to waste drain at the top. Feed water is controlled by a float switch/solenoid and feeds into the tub using a mechanical float switch. Overflow would require three failures.

Top Rubbermaid tub only receives water from the bottom tub. Overflow drain installed at the top which flows to bottom tub.

Salt mixing container is filled through a mechanical float valve and has an overflow to waste drain at the top.

Sump filling is controlled by a solenoid/float valve for primary water filling from the kalk reactor with secondary protection from the float valve. I don't currently have an overflow to waste drain on the sump, but I am waffling on the idea of adding one. The sump has 25 gallons of overflow capacity. Water rise during a power outage is about 13 gallons from the main display and refugium.


Micro bubble control:
My ASM skimmer allows some micro bubbles on the output. To control that, I am putting the skimmer into the first chamber of the sump and the setting up two series of baffles to prevent the bubbles from reaching the refugium and display. I am not positive about the baffe design and would like some input here.

Thanks,

Phil
 
I like the design. While I have never designed something this complex for my tank I am interested to see how this thread works out. Just following the design... I am assuming that you are using the stock tanks for auto top-off. If in the off chance you ph is HI you will stop dosing with KALK. That seems to be your only top-off method. Therefore you will not be replacing the water from evaporation. Whether this ever becomes a problem.. who knows? Just my thoughts.

Keep us posted on your progress.
 
You are correct about the possibility of a make-up water shortfall due to high pH. However, I recently added a calcium reactor to my tank and don't expect that to be a problem going forward. However, if I can't get enough make-up water from the kalk reactor because of high pH, my solution is going to be to replace the 2-way solenoid with a 3-way solenoid and move it to the output side of the kalk reactor to switch to fresh water instead of kalk to the sump when pH is high.
 
I am too in process of developing auto top system for 300g tank and liek what I see. Question: why is it an issue with the RO/DI cycling on/off?

Thanks
Jim Mc
 
There is a problem with TDS creep in the RO membrane. Everytime the RO comes on, the first few minutes there is a TDS spike (and associated hit on your DI resin) before it goes back down to it's normal level. So you want to limit the frequency the RO unit cycles. There are a variety of means to limit the impact of the problem including a start of cycle timed drain (send first 5 minutes of RO output to waste instead of through the DI canister and into your tank) and end of cycle backwash. But it seems the simplest thing to do is just minimize the on/off cycles.
 
No float on the top tub is required since the top and bottom tubs are configured as a loop. The pump on the bottom tub runs on a regular cycle and for a longer period than is required to fill the top tub. The excess just runs back down to the bottom tub, the only requirement is that the plumbing between them be sufficiently large to drain at least as quickly as the rate the pump moves the water into the top tub.
 
Can I beg for some thoughts on the baffle setup? Does the intra-set spacing look ok? How about the over/under sequence?
 
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