Superglue Gel kills fish

blooper74

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I have three fish in my system and they have all been very healthy. My perams are all good and They were eating and very active. They had no signs of any illness or disstress. I made a DIY skimmer yesterday and put it in my fuge. I used superglue gel on a couple pieces of plastic on the skimmer. Well after about fifteen minutes everything in the tank started looking bland, and I could not find my fish anywhere. About an hour later I found all three of them dead in the back of the tank. The expression of death still in their little faces. My tank was perfectly fine before I put the skimmer in the tank with the superglue gel. I put it in and everything stresses out and my fish die. There were no chemicals on the skimmer either, I purchased the plastic tubeing at my LFS and sterelized it at home. So my only conclusion is the superglue gel did them in. The glue wasn't all the way hard I should mention, but that shouldn't matter, people use SGG to mount frags in their tanks.
 
sorry to hear about your loss. i personally wouldnt credit the death to the superglue, there have been lots of people including myself who have used it many many times before without any problems. owever i also wouldnt discredit it either. just one of those things i guess that happens 1 out of 1 million...
 
I wonder if the superglue (which we use to glue frags to rocks) merged with the plastic and created a chemical which WAS toxic? IE, gluing rock with it is safe---but not certain plastics?
 
Don't think it was the glue. Tell us EXACTLY how you sterilized the skimmer.
 
wow...sorry for your loss...I've used super glue in my system several times with no ill effects yet...hopefully nothing will ever happen!
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6986188#post6986188 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Kent E
Don't think it was the glue. Tell us EXACTLY how you sterilized the skimmer.

Exactly what I was going to ask.

Too many people have used superglue without any difficulty in reef tanks without losing anything. After frag swaps there can be a substantial amount put in at once.

I know there have been fish killed from it, but it's been from biting some that's still curing, and getting the mouth glued shut (I know a few people who have lost clownfish this way).

Dave
 
Well I gave the skimmer parts a bath in vinegar ( I always use it when cleaning). Then I rinsed it really well with RO water, then gave them a soak in bowling RO water before building the skimmer. When I put the skimmer in the tank the SGG was not cured. There wasn't anything on my hands because they got a really good was and I always wear surgical(powder free) gloves when working in my tank or with glues. My newest thought is maybe he got zapped real good by my frogspawn, he had been laying on it for the last couple days. Maybe the frogspawn just finally got fed up with the hawk resting on it and ZAP! I am not sure though. All I am sure of right now is that he is dead and I am short one fish.
 
You said all 3 fish were dead in your initial post.Also,you said the entire tank looked "bland".I don't seem to have a good picture of what all happened in the tank.
 
Yeah all three are dead but I was just trying to find at least one cause of death for one fish, sorry. The frogspawn was the only coral that didn't get too bad. All corals are fine now and to my surprise I didn't loose a single crab or snail or starfish.
 
Yeah, there's conflicting info. I've used superglue many many times with no ill effects (except skimmer going nutz for 3 days)

How old is the tank?
 
How is there conflicting info, I said what happened in the tank. All I did was try to post a possible reason for at least one death, so that makes the info conflicting? I am confused now. The tank is 7 months. Let me have the flames now, I am ready for it.
 
I doubt that the frogspawn would have killed the hawkfish. The other way around is much more likely, with the coral staying closed and not getting enough nutrients. Even if we decided I'm wrong here, and this did kill the frogspawn, that would explain the coincident deaths of the other fish. Going by Occam's Razor, I'd be inclined to reject this hypothesis.

I'm not sure about the surgical gloves issue. Many gloves that are listed as "powder-free" are not truly powder free (in the same way that many fat-free foods aren't truly fat-free). Many of them have to be very carefully examined to find evidence of the powders, but it's often there. So that's one potential source of trouble.

The other is the boiling of the skimmer parts (I'm assuming that you meant boiling, and not "bowling"). I doubt this was necessary, and probably puts some of the plastics at temperatures they're not really designed for. This could potentially create some by-products that could leach into the water and wreak havoc.

You said you gave your hands a good wash. With what?
Do you every use Purell or other similar alcohol-based hand-rinses? I know of several tank crashes that have been traced back to these (including one of my own a few years ago). I don't know what in the product causes the problem, probably a residue that's left on the hands after the rest of it has evaporated. The problems are not too different from what you're describing. Basically all the fish look fine, then look dead or near dead in a very short while. All of the parameters test out fine. The corals look OK (not perfect, but OK), and then rebound, and the motile inverts seem to not be affected at all.

Another question. When you added the skimmer to your refugium, did you disturb the sediment in it at all, or have to move any substrate to fit the skimmer in?
It's possible that there were anoxic areas which released hydrogen sulfide when disturbed. That can certainly be toxic enough to cause the fish to die.

I think there are several plausible explanations that are much more likely than the superglue to be the cause of the problems here, based partly on the fact that thousands of us have used the stuff underwater without problem. I even know some people who have done all of the steps of supergluing frags underwater. I personally think this is more cumbersome and difficult, but I've seen it done. Anyway, the point is that they've been able to do it with no ill effects.

The conflicting info comes from the fact that your post about the frogspawn says, "now I am short one fish". This does contradict your other posts, which suggest you're short 3 fish. This may just have been poor wording.

Dave
 
Why to much cleaning and prep, your problem might of been there. I've used superglue loads on times in my tank and have never had a problem with it as have many others I know.
 
I would like to mention that some plastics for some strange reason do NOT do well with superglue and you should be also using weldon not superglue.
reason I'm stating this is last night I try'd glueing a broken plastic toy for my sons crib, the glue would NOT take and the fumes were insanely strong and very irritating to the eyes. I've used gel,loctite.zap gel a million times for frags but this is the first time that I've seen superglue not work and create toxic fumes like that. In short, its very possible that there was a reaction with the plastics and you mentioned it wasn't even cured yet so that could be a problem.
 
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