would you buy?

[reef_jerky]

Would you buy something if you find out the seller lies about the where the good came from?

For example: Buys from someone 2 days ago, then sells saying it is from his brother tank?

http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=797207

 

[RobbyG]

I understand how you feel but most people just care if the price is good, not what the person bought it for. As for the made up story, it's not very ethical but hey he didnt say he was selling it to use the money to feed Orphans! Now that would be crossing the line.
I guess its always "Caveat Emptor".

 

[Kenfuzed]

Nope, but that's just me. No crime in making a profit, but telling lies about stuff you bought off some poor widow is downright pathetic. I have no idea if any of it is true but the whole thing stinks.

 

[laverda]

I have to agree, I would not deal with someone that is an out right lier! You might want to report it to the mods as It sounds like the same person they have banned several times already for ripping people off.

 

[gregm5]

wow.... that's pretty messed up. i wouldn't buy it just out of priciple.

 

[supernareg]

what principle, that guys a business man. he was lucky enough to buy it before everyone else, and now he can sell it for more. dont act as if u wouldnt do the same. if someone GAVE you some LR that you DIDNT need, you would sell it to make money. stop ur [profanity] people, let him do his thing and dont flame on him. do u flame at ur LFS cause they sell for $7/pound? they sell their 5 dollar mandarain for 20? dont freakin give him a hard time losers. u guys just mad cause HE got it, and HE'S makin the profit and not YOU.

The profanity filter is there for a reason. Do not try and "work around" it. - Anemone

 

[SteveOhh]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6935674#post6935674 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by supernareg
what principle, that guys a business man. he was lucky enough to buy it before everyone else, and now he can sell it for more. dont act as if u wouldnt do the same. if someone GAVE you some LR that you DIDNT need, you would sell it to make money. stop ur bull**** people, let him do his thing and dont flame on him. do u flame at ur LFS cause they sell for $7/pound? they sell their 5 dollar mandarain for 20? dont freakin give him a hard time losers. u guys just mad cause HE got it, and HE'S makin the profit and not YOU.

Hey Loser!!!

If ya freakin' read the original post, they are not giving him crap for making money off these items, they are giving him crap beacuse he's lying about where the items originally came from. Before you go spouting off about something, you should do your research. Sounds like the only [profanity] being dished around here is coming from you...........LOSER!!!

To all others......I apologize for the above message, but when you're dealing w/ idiots, sometimes you gotta lower yourself to "idiot status" too!!!

Don't apologize - just don't do it. Do not evade the word censor, and do not call names. - Anemone

 

[golfish]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6935674#post6935674 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by supernareg
what principle, that guys a business man. he was lucky enough to buy it before everyone else, and now he can sell it for more. dont act as if u wouldnt do the same. if someone GAVE you some LR that you DIDNT need, you would sell it to make money. stop ur [profanity] people, let him do his thing and dont flame on him. do u flame at ur LFS cause they sell for $7/pound? they sell their 5 dollar mandarain for 20? dont freakin give him a hard time losers. u guys just mad cause HE got it, and HE'S makin the profit and not YOU.

Speak for your self junior

 

[RobbyG]

The way you said this sucks but it is somewhat the truth. If I buy a 4" Flame Angel for $20 and was selling it back to a stranger I would ask for the going rate of say $65. As the buyer I dont care how you got it, so long as it's not stolen, all Im interested in is that I am getting it at fair market price.
It would be nice to think that a person would pass on the savings to others, but that rarely happens. Want to see the biggest Rip of all, just go into WallyMart, they sell TV's in there for $150 that I know cost $50 in China, shipping adds about $20 to that price, so they still make a 120% profit on each one.

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6935674#post6935674 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by supernareg
what principle, that guys a business man. he was lucky enough to buy it before everyone else, and now he can sell it for more. dont act as if u wouldnt do the same. if someone GAVE you some LR that you DIDNT need, you would sell it to make money. stop ur [profanity] people, let him do his thing and dont flame on him. do u flame at ur LFS cause they sell for $7/pound? they sell their 5 dollar mandarain for 20? dont freakin give him a hard time losers. u guys just mad cause HE got it, and HE'S makin the profit and not YOU.

 

[SteveOhh]

However they don't lie & tell you that the tv's were built in a one off factory in Dubai...................It's more about principle then anything else. But you know what they say about karma................Hopefully some of it comes back around to the liar!!!!!!

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6937008#post6937008 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by RobbyG
The way you said this sucks but it is somewhat the truth. If I buy a 4" Flame Angel for $20 and was selling it back to a stranger I would ask for the going rate of say $65. As the buyer I dont care how you got it, so long as it's not stolen, all Im interested in is that I am getting it at fair market price.
It would be nice to think that a person would pass on the savings to others, but that rarely happens. Want to see the biggest Rip of all, just go into WallyMart, they sell TV's in there for $150 that I know cost $50 in China, shipping adds about $20 to that price, so they still make a 120% profit on each one.

 

[pledosophy]

The mark up at my work is incredible. We sell something that costs $2 for $80, and we sell tens of thousands of them yearly.

Business is business, I am not positive about what all transpired, but I don't think he should have lied. There was no reason to have any story at all, just the item and the price.

 

[glaudds]

Though the seller has every right to sell the rock, I have to agree with the others about him not being forthright about the source. Better for him either not to disclose the source or be truthful about it.
Personally, I would feel bad about profiting from someone else's loss.

 

[818]

Re: would you buy?

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6935202#post6935202 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by reef_jerky
Would you buy something if you find out the seller lies about the where the good came from?

For example: Buys from someone 2 days ago, then sells saying it is from his brother tank?

http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=797207

Correct me If Im wrong but he never lied. Its sounds that he and his bro(cousin w/e) only kept what they needed and are selling the remains.

Hes just making profit here but no lie. Guy who posted this makes it sound like he killed someone...When will this all stop :lol:

But I guess the buyer in this situation would have been better selling it on eBay, since that same add was in the So Cal forum.

Sam

 

[skairik]

I am always amazed when a fellow reefer posts a "defense" for these clowns here on RC lying about this and that, claiming a history on an item they are selling when in fact that "history" is anything but. It clearly illustrates the fact that some reefers shamefully advocate deceit so long as it's in pursuit of a profit.

So let's try this again: THE ISSUE IS NOT THE PROFIT, IT'S THE DESPICABLE LIES TOLD TO MAKE THE PROFIT.

How is it that you "defenders" don't see that? Who defends dishonesty in any form? And to what end?

Yes, the madness does need to stop but you are wrong in pointing your fingers at the people who maintain that honesty is an integral component of any deal, regardless of the profit margin. For those of you who overlook this fact and buy the item anyhow you are only encouraging and rewarding dishonesty.

Having personally dealt with a dishonet RC member I see nothing wrong with flaming on these clowns. How else to weed out the riff-raff? In my opinion RC has evolved into two distinct camps of people:

Group #1 is comprised of people who demand honesty 110% of the time and when deception has been discovered they take the clown to task. Honesty has more value to them than "the great deal" some clown is advertising. They are people of prinicple, people who reward honesty

Group #2 is clearly comprised of reefers whose character/ethics more closely resembles the dishonest clown they are defending. That is why they are unable and/or refuse to comprehend the dishonest component of the deal being meticulously explained to them. These people will jump on "the great deal" quicker than you can say honesty. They say things like, "It's not like he's fabricating lies about orphans." Like, where does that analogy come from?

For those of you who identify with Group #2, anything you have to say in response to this will fall on deaf ears. Save it! Bottom line is dishonesty in any shape or form has no place prowling RC. Should you persist despite evidence to the contrary then there's really no point in debating it any further with you. Exercises in futility just don't appeal to me. I could make more progress beating a dead horse.

My thanks to the reefers who fall into Category #1. When a united stance is taken on dishonesty and unscupulous behavior here on this forum we are preserving a code of ethics amongst ourselves that can only enhance our hobby in the long run. The mods can take it from here.

 

[jaypainter24]

And what does all the above posts have to do with reefing? absolutlly nothing!!!!!! If you don't like what you see click off the post. Just like the T.V. and radio, if it offends you change the channel or station. This is getting old how people are taking over the MODS jobs and act like the are the POLICE for the forum. Did any of you try and buy the rock the first time? If not move on

 

[microbubbles]

right on, jay painter.

people aren't perfect. some are seriously morally compromised. yeah, so he's trying to flip a quick profit off something he bought dirt cheap. yeah, the widow thing kinda makes it more complicated, but wth? it's not really my friggen business. and not yours. or yours. or yours. last i heard, this is a board for reefing and not preaching and doing the right thing. so all the sycophants, ask yourself- does this really impair the quality of your lives?
it's not such a big deal. the sky is not gonna come crashing down on us cause the guy sold some rock and a skimmer he bought at a widow's firesale. so stop nailing the guy to the cross.

 

[laverda]

It seams likely this is the same person/business that the mods have shut down repeatedly for making false claims, doing business on RC and ripping off fellow reefers. But their is no reason for all the name calling, especially of other reffers. The hobby is supposed to be fun!
Buy the same token Reef Jerky is doing a service by pointing out(without name calling) that again this person (Same MO if not the same person) is selling again on RC and to be carful so you don't get ripped off. They are obviously in this to make money(not hobbyists) which is why they keep getting banned from RC. There is nothing wrong with making money, but it is another thing when you are unethical about it. Does it matter where they got the rock? NO, not really. Does it matter that they made up a story about where they got it? I sure think so!
I have bought rock and not used it all and sold it for the same price or less then I paid for it@ $2.00 a pound. I have also bought other things that I did not us or no longer needed. I have made a little on some and lost on others, but that was not why I bought it. I also did not make up stories about how or where I got things.
The sad think it seams that one or two people are causing a lot of problems in the So CA Forum, and RC is about ready to shut it down because of it. That would be a huge loss for all of us!
So stop the name calling and be respectful of each other. If you see something that seems fish may you should point it out to the mods.
Watch out! It seams there is at least one person out there cheating and stealing from all of us! They are taking the fun out of the hobby!

 

[reef_jerky]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6938044#post6938044 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by jaypainter24
And what does all the above posts have to do with reefing? absolutlly nothing!!!!!! If you don't like what you see click off the post. Just like the T.V. and radio, if it offends you change the channel or station. This is getting old how people are taking over the MODS jobs and act like the are the POLICE for the forum. Did any of you try and buy the rock the first time? If not move on

What does it have to do with reefing? The fact is, we are all consumers at some point Don't you think people have the right to know that something is not as it is advertised?

What happens if you buy a coral claimed to be aquaculture and it turns out to be a wild piece? You still have the coral, so does it matter that you were lied to?

No one is claiming to do MOD job. MODS step in when people can't handle to carry on a civilized discussion. I everyone is honest there is no need to police. Fact is, if you live in a bad neighborhood you see the police more often. And if you don't like what you see, carry on your own suggestion and move on.

 

[reef_jerky]

Re: Re: would you buy?

Re: Re: would you buy?

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6937258#post6937258 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by My F1sh R D34D!
Correct me If Im wrong but he never lied. Its sounds that he and his bro(cousin w/e) only kept what they needed and are selling the remains.

Hes just making profit here but no lie. Guy who posted this makes it sound like he killed someone...When will this all stop :lol:

But I guess the buyer in this situation would have been better selling it on eBay, since that same add was in the So Cal forum.

Sam

I think you didn't get the story straight. He said his cousin is converting a large tank into a fowlr with less rock. He claims the rock and skimmer came from this tank from his cousin.
If you think that is no lie then maybe you just see very different than me.

 

[reef_jerky]

THANK YOU SoCal reefers, it is a blessing to hear some moralilty still exists around this hobby. This is a rather large forum and it is tough to pick the thorns out out the bushel.

Although some people miss the point, it is not about the profit, but the lies and stories that a used car salesman would tell *no pun intended*