2 Sick fish w/different problems...pics

[BadOleRoss]

I have 2 sick fish and i am not sure where to begin regarding treatment or what the fish have. I first thought my BP Tang had ich but now I am not so sure. The spots on him seem to be almost worm like. He is still eating but is spending a lot of time on the bottom of the tank. My yellow tang has a nasty spot on his side. if I had to guess i would say its fungal. Both fish are in a 220 with 240# of LR so catching wil be a job. I do have a 55 gallon tang available for a QT.

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[fishykid9212]

Ok the PBT has ich and the yellow tang has either a fungal or bacterial infection. I would take them out ASAP and put them in the 55G use copper and maracyn for the treatment, that will cure both of your problems. Some people are going to be against using copper for tangs but I have used it many times with them with great success. In your case I would isolate them ASAP, I had a PBT and its ich spread and killed all of my fish. A tip on catching, feed them slowely and when they come up be quick with the net Good Luck

 

[BTTRFLYGRL]

Hmmmm...Doesn't look like ich to me..Ich looks like salt. It looks like a type of Copepod or worm..I would do Formalin dips on the PBT. 3dips 3 days a part..be sure to use correct dose [with most its 20 drops per gallon] aerate the water with an airstone and do not let the temp get up to 80..You can also use Prazipro in the qt and you can drop the SG , you don't have to go for Hypo unless it develops ich but drop it to around 1.011-1.015 to slow the reproduction of these parasites

As for the Yellow, I would probably treat with antibiotics..do you have only one qt tank? If you only have one, do the dips on the PB, and add antibiotics for the Yellow..[ don't use the Prazipro]The antibiotics won't hurt the PB and may prevent secondary infections
I use Furan-2 a lot with good results

Keep us posted!

 

[BadOleRoss]

I assumed the PBT had ich and started treating the entire tank with Parasite Stop. Other fish have shown signs as well. I have heard mixed things on it but with 11/12 fish in a 220 with 240# of LR I need to gie it a try. Its gonna get cramped if I end up putting all of them into a 55. I cant decide to treat the tang for a fungal or bacterial infection, or both. Cant add copper to my DT.

 

[BadOleRoss]

I can see the writting on the wall. I'm going to end up pulling out the LR and putting every last fish in a QT.

 

[mnewsome]

I have an easy method for catching fish who eat algae. Since they are both tangs you should have no problem. I put a clear container (plastic or glass) in the tank and attach an algae strip to a small rock (or whatever you use) and place it in front of the opening of the container. It may take several hours for the fish to become accustomed to the container. After they eat the algae off the rock, just put more on it and move it more in the container each time you replace the algae strip. It may take a little while for them to feel comfortable going inside, but they eventually will. When you see them go at least half way in the container, just put something over the opening in the tank and you have caught your fish w/out tearing the entire tank. I've used this method for a Foxface and a powder brown tang. I had caught them w/in a day of placing my glass jar in the tank. The Foxface was a lot more leary of it and it took a little while longer for him to come around, but the Tang was caught within 4 hours.
Happy Fishing!

 

[poopsko24]

BTTRFLYGRL, don't know if you remember me trying to explain what my PBT had but thats what mine looks like, totally, no other fish have it, wrasses, anthias. I held off on getting him out cause i'm going to drill my tank next week, and I'll be taking the whole thing down then , so i'll get him out then. I would'nt think its ich either, you think the do the Formalin dips and maracyn plus in the QT ? No other fish have it, so thats why I don't think its ich, but i know some won't show it either, but you would think the anthias would. I rescued a lineatus wrasse from near death ( not eating, fin rot, breathing heavy) with maracyn plus. I now will use this stuff with confidence. dd'nt mean to hyjack, sorry.

 

[BTTRFLYGRL]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7357469#post7357469 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by poopsko24
BTTRFLYGRL, don't know if you remember me trying to explain what my PBT had but thats what mine looks like, totally, no other fish have it, wrasses, anthias. I held off on getting him out cause i'm going to drill my tank next week, and I'll be taking the whole thing down then , so i'll get him out then. I would'nt think its ich either, you think the do the Formalin dips and maracyn plus in the QT ? No other fish have it, so thats why I don't think its ich, but i know some won't show it either, but you would think the anthias would. I rescued a lineatus wrasse from near death ( not eating, fin rot, breathing heavy) with maracyn plus. I now will use this stuff with confidence. dd'nt mean to hyjack, sorry.

If you are taking the tank down...Formalin dip all the fish on the way to their temporary tank..Treat the fish with Prazipro..Do 2 more dips on the Tang for a total of three dips, do these three days apart..Worked for my Powder Brown who had similar symptoms


Here are directions for the dip

http://www.petsforum.com/personal/trevor-jones/formalinbaths.html

 

[poopsko24]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7386051#post7386051 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by BTTRFLYGRL
If you are taking the tank down...Formalin dip all the fish on the way to their temporary tank..Treat the fish with Prazipro..Do 2 more dips on the Tang for a total of three dips, do these three days apart..Worked for my Powder Brown who had similar symptoms


Here are directions for the dip

http://www.petsforum.com/personal/trevor-jones/formalinbaths.html

OK, thats a starting plan. I'll formalin dip all the fish on the way to the holding tank. Should I treat all the wrasses and anthias with the prazipro as well ? or just the PB tang ? I will do the multiple dips on the PB tang and keep him in the holding tank with prazipro. I'm just wondering on the other fish because they will be ready to go back into the main tank after a day. Should I just dip them and then put them in a seperate tank without prazipro ? Time is coming , thanx

 

[poopsko24]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7386051#post7386051 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by BTTRFLYGRL
If you are taking the tank down...Formalin dip all the fish on the way to their temporary tank..Treat the fish with Prazipro..Do 2 more dips on the Tang for a total of three dips, do these three days apart..Worked for my Powder Brown who had similar symptoms


Here are directions for the dip

http://www.petsforum.com/personal/trevor-jones/formalinbaths.html

should I use furan2 in the QTalso or instead of the prazipro ?

 

[BTTRFLYGRL]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7389161#post7389161 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by poopsko24
should I use furan2 in the QTalso or instead of the prazipro ?

If it appears to have a bacterial infection then treat the Tang with Furan or another antibiotic...My PB had splotches all over along with the spots, she was laying on her side and I thought she was going to die.The Furan cleared up the splotches, the formalin really pulled her through ..I am very surprised she is still alive [and well]. The Formalin should take care of the 'worms' but I would dose Prazipro after the furan is out..You can also lower SG to around 1.012-1.015, this is supposed to slow down the reproduction of many Flukes, copepods.
If you are going to move the others before, I would go ahead and place them in a separate qt...dip them on the way to the qt, treat with prazipro and then dip on the way to the new tank....just to be safe

 

[poopsko24]

how long is the treatment of prazipro suppose to be for ?

 

[BTTRFLYGRL]

5-7 days

 

[poopsko24]

k, thanx soo much

 

[poopsko24]

just wanted to add that he has developed a skin irritation, he's not scratching , but looks like some sort of brownish skin development on his lower side. is the formalin still ok to use then? I read that site and it says to do the dips every other day.

 

[BTTRFLYGRL]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7389994#post7389994 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by poopsko24
just wanted to add that he has developed a skin irritation, he's not scratching , but looks like some sort of brownish skin development on his lower side. is the formalin still ok to use then? I read that site and it says to do the dips every other day.

You don't want to use formalin on abrasions, open wounds..if that is what the brown spot is then skip the dip until it heals..You can do the dips every other day as the link recommends, I followed the advice of an expert on another board and did mine every three days. The eggs of flukes and copepods are unaffected by treatment, so you need to treat when they mature..unfortunately you don't know when that will be. So I say either way is fine...be prepared to retreat the Tang, you may see another outbreak in a week or two [maybe longer]...I would leave him in qt for a month at least

 

[poopsko24]

I'm not sure what the brown marks are, they are not spots, longer like abrasions, I can't say for sure it is an abrasion though, don't think I've seen one yet, other than one that was done by getting scratched on some rocks.......and that does not look like that though. I'll try to get a pic, but doubt my camera will pick it up .