A nano? Your FIRST tank? You're nuts! (6g nano w/sump)

AbsentTK421

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Hello all!
I'm Alex, and as the title suggests, I have a 6g nano, and this is my first saltwater tank. This will be my progress thread, so if you enjoy it, check back for regular updates.
Before I dive in, here is a current tank picture, and some about me:

Started 12/31/2014
Image as of 1/18/2015
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Build:
Eheim 6g aquastyle Nano
LED full spectrum light
small hanging filter
Eshopps Overflow
10g Custom sump w/ Bubble chamber, Fuge, and equipment chamber:
Digital thermo/ heater
surface skimmer
Eshopps nano skimmer
Hydor 240 powerhead for constant stirring
Mag 5 return pump

Flora/Fauna:
5x assorted snails
2x bumblebee snails
2x Nassarius snails
3x peppermint shrimp
1x Emerald crab
1x Tiger banded brittle star


So about me:
My professional background is in engineering. Specifically motorsports engineering. I build and tune race cars and karts. I also drive them, and coach other drivers. It naturally follows that I'm an adventure sports person. This being said I balance this with plenty of art and a healthy amount of interaction with the natural world. I got my scuba certification several years ago in Hawaii, and ever since then I have been obsessed with reefs and the diversity of life they contain.
In terms of aquarium experience, I have been all over the freshwater map, from nanos with betas to large discus tanks. Even though these tanks were interesting and demanding, they simply can't compare to the beauty and chemical complexity of a saltwater reef. I've been researching reef tank set-ups for several years now, trying to decide what I wanted to do and how I wanted to do it. I know that nanos are considered the most challenging because of the difficulty in maintaining good water chemistry. So why did I choose a nano tank for my first saltwater experiment?

-The initial investment is substantially lower than a large tank (I have a 55 gallon lying around). Given that I am expecting some bumps in the road I decided it would be better not to put a wheelbarrow of money at risk over my inexperience.
-My space is somewhat limited at the moment, so a smaller tank is a plus in that regard. A smaller tank has also allowed me to use some space for a full sump system which I will show later.
-I realize that a smaller system is much more sensitive to water condition changes, but that is something I am willing to live with because I am in this hobby to learn, and there is no better way than to shoot for high standards!

On to the tank. This update will cover start till' now:

12/31/2014
Setup day was a day several years in the making. I'm using a stand meant for a 55g as a table, with the sump underneath. The tank has overflow and return, Plus a small hanging filter/ LED light combo. Sand is Fiji Pink, 7lbs live rock, a mix of Tonga branch and Caribbean shelf rock. I made sure to get a nice amount of rock and sand to provide as much space for beneficial organisms as possible.

The unique challenges of fitting large amounts of goods into a small car are ever present.
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Here is the tank with a good look at the above-table items. I used a large Eshopps overflow modified with an Eshopps nano trough to reduce the space taken up in tank without decreasing flow rate out of the tank. Large turnover is a goal of mine to help dampen the challenges of a small system.
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My sump pictured below was a DIY project of mine after much research. The first chamber is set up with the drain, and a baffle that is designed to produce bubbles , and create oxygenation. The water then spills over the top into the second chamber which has a 2.5" sandbed and another 5bl live rock. This is my refugium, and (now) contains a ball of macro-algae. I have had people suggest miracle mud for this. Thoughts?
Over the top and into the third chamber, part one, through some filter padding to keep anything big making it from the 'fuge to the return chamber, then some matrix to add even MORE space for bio filtration. This is also a place I can put some bags of chem filtration, carbon or otherwise. Last chamber contains a Hydor 240 for constant water stirring, a surface skimmer, heater, Eshopps nano protein skimmer, and Mag 5 return pump.
I did hear that sometimes skimmers can kill beneficial organisms from the 'fuge, but I have also heard testimony from people who have said that they have organisms thriving IN their skimmers. Again, thoughts?
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1/4/2015
Five days in and you can see the cycle is progressing, the algae is growing. I jump started the cycle by adding a pinch or two of food pellets to get the ammonia going. Believe it or not, at only five days in, this was the ammonia spike day and since then it has been 0ppm with a couple of .25ppm days. At this point I was not running my protein skimmer.
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1/7/2015
This was maximum algae and diatom day. I have been astounded with how fast this tank has cycled. This was also the nitrite spike day.
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1/12/2015
With everything moving along nicely and no Ammonia or nitrites to be seen for a few days, I went to the LFS to get my clean up crew to start working on the algae. It consisted of:
5x assorted snails
2x Bumblebee snails
3X Peppermint Shrimp
1x Emerald crab (easily the hardest working cleaner in my tank atm)
1x Tiger Banded (I think) brittle star.
Since then I have also added two Nassarius snails to be my sand vacuums. They are quite active both day and night, and are the only ones I have not yet had to flip back over.
Emerald crab and a Bumblebee
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Here is the brittle star, originally preferred a space behind the small in tank filter, but I built him a dark little cave in the back of the tank, and now he is there all the time, and comes out at night to find food.
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Here is a Peppermint (sorry for the terrible iPhone pics, a photographer I am not).
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And that brings us up to date (the 18th). Some things I have since changed or learned:
-I had a rockwork collapse that fortunately did not injure any of my inhabitants., I removed the inhabitants carefully to the 'Fuge, and then re-arranged the rocks in a more stable configuration, again careful to make the brittle star a little crevice specifically for his daytime pleasure, which he is thankful for. So a word to those who would consider keeping these creatures, you can see them a lot more if you build a place for them to reside that is dark enough for them but also in a position that you have a view of them. It is cool to watch him during the day sticking his arms all over sensing his environment, and sometimes I even see him reach out and pull in a piece of food.
-I am feeding a small piece (just a bit smaller than pinkey nail size) thawed mysis shrimp, morning and then just before I turn the lights out at night. I'm interested to hear other people's thoughts on weather this is too much food or not?
-A handy aspect of how I set up the system is that if the power to the pump cuts out the tank level only drops about an inch and a half, and this isn't low enough to go below the intake of the small in-tank filter, so even when I shut the main pump off for water changes or maintenance the tank still gets basic filtration and water movement.
-I only plan to have three or four fish in the tank so I was thinking of adding another crustacean like this dwarf lobster:
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does anyone have experience with these guys?
-Finally, I do eventually plan to grow basic corals in here, and will add a second blue LED when I am ready for that. By my calculation I am turning over the tank about every 5-6 minutes (feel free to check me on that). I think this should be enough flow for some basic corals, but being that I come from the freshwater world, coral growth is the subject I know least about.

Thanks for reading! Updates coming soon, feel free to comment or critique and hope you enjoyed!!
 
I think nanos contrary to popular opinion are the BEST tanks to start with. For one it's fairly affordable and there's less sticker shock. Secondly a nano teaches you to be more cautious, keep a better eye in your water and gets you into go regular habbits. If all else fails you learned for a lot less money that saltwater isn't for you.
 
My first reef tank was a 2.5g w/o a sump, so I think you'll be fine with the size if you stock smartly.

I don't know anything about the lobster, but I do know that crustaceans generally aren't to be trusted. Even your emerald crab may turn coral hungry at some point. Mine usually did. I also don't keep hermits in my tank because they kill the other snails. I've even had peppermint shrimp snack on corals. In your tank, removing a pest isn't so bad, but keep those warnings in mind when you have a large tank that requires a tear down to remove a pest. I'm pretty cautious about what I add to my 120g. I'll experiment a little more in my Edge.

As for the sump design, it's IDEAL (not required) to have the skimmer in a chamber before your fuge. This allows pods to spill from the fuge into the return w/o getting caught in the cup. Your skimmer won't catch all of them, so it's not critical. My skimmer is in the same chamber as my return and my tank is healthy.

You'll find there's much less talk (none really) in the reef world about watts per gallon or tank turnover. Lighting needs to be intense enough, whether it's a 250w MH or 90w LED, and flow needs to be gentle and powerful enough. Enough is what it takes to keep your tank happy. There are plenty of examples of what's worked for others that should work for you. I'd try the tank as it is and look for a small powerhead if you find yourself coming up short. I'm not sure which light you're running, but if it's not enough there are a ton of lights out there. I like Kessil lights, but Nanobox gets a lot of talk too. I have an AI Nano on my 6g Edge and I think I'd go with a Kessil if I had to buy at full price. I got mine for a good deal before the A160s were out though. DIY is always an option too.

I'm not saying you need to run out and get these things, I'm just mentioning them so you can have a point of research if you find yourself needing more. Start with simple mushrooms and zoanthids to get a feel for the coral keeping business. Maybe give frogspawn or candycanes a shot if you don't kill the softies in a few weeks. You'll be very limited for space when things start to grow in that tank, so choose your corals wisely. Buying cheap leathers is tempting, but a brown colt coral will take up a lot of space in that tank that a cool coral could fill. Buy coral for space used 6 months from now, don't fill every inch with frags (it's SO hard not to!).
Lastly, good luck and welcome to the hobby.
 
I think nanos contrary to popular opinion are the BEST tanks to start with. For one it's fairly affordable and there's less sticker shock. Secondly a nano teaches you to be more cautious, keep a better eye in your water and gets you into go regular habbits. If all else fails you learned for a lot less money that saltwater isn't for you.

agreed. If you cant consistently change the water on a 10 gallon, you will never do it on 100 gallon.
 
Speaking of water changes, my LFS says 5 gallons every two weeks. Do you think I should change more often?

Edit: The total system is appx. 14 gallons
 
I don't think I'd do 5 gallons, general rule of thumb is 20%.. so just under 3 gallons for you. You can do them more frequently if you have a heavy bio-load, but I don't like to ever do more than 20%.... unless there is a catastrophe... even then I'll usually do 20% daily.
 
I wouldn't measure too closely. I'd shoot for around half a 5g bucket, or whatever it takes to siphon the mess off your rock. Just make sure you have about 4-5g of new saltwater. I'd do it weekly, too, especially while it's new.
 
To start off I have to compliment you on your aquascape it actually looks really good, not many use tonga branch like you did very creative, anyway like someone said having the protein skimmer up stream of your fuge is fine but not as good as having it before, basically it will kill some pods but not all so it lowers the benefits of your fuge but I wouldn't worry about it your tank will be fine, the food your feeding should be fine considering the brittle star will just eat any excess so no worries there but I wouldn't do anymore, lastly don't get a lobster if you want coral, crab are opportunistic feeders but you will usually be fine, where as lobsters will almost always eat coral, I know there cool but simply not an option, lastly make sure your light is good enough for the corals you want and research each piece before you buy it, for example Xenia although cool is not the best choice for a small tank, although they will survive they will grow quick and take over your tank especially in one the small. I personally would recommend a hammer coral these guys are really cool
 
Awesome, I just set-up the exact same tank yesterday.
Which light do you have? I have the 6500K version and I'm afraid I will have algae issues. I've located both the Actinic and the 50/50 actinic/6500 bulb but at over $100 bucks each I'd like some feedback from actual users first, otherwise I might be considering different lighting altogether.
 
Awesome, I just set-up the exact same tank yesterday.
Which light do you have? I have the 6500K version and I'm afraid I will have algae issues.

Did you use a sump?

Also, I'm using the 6000K full spectrum LED that came with it right now. There is an add-on light, same design that supplements the blue light. When I go for coral I plan to add that light.

A strong clean up crew should keep the algae at bay. My emerald crab has been a rockstar at that. I even caught him the other day hanging by two legs to scrape algae off the overflow box. He is always working.

So, Update:

I moved the rock some so that I could get to all the glass to clean it. I'm not sure I like it quite as much aesthetically but it does indeed help with cleaning.
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Also, since my totally overkill sump has been doing an impeccable job of keeping my water clean, I am welcoming a new inhabitant. I picked up a Hawaiian Flame Angel the other day and after drip in he has been quite happy.
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He has been eating and active, and I only observed a very small spike in chem the day I added him, other than that smooth sailing.
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Today's numbers:
Salinity - 1.025
PH - 8.0
Ammonia - 0ppm
Nitrite - 0ppm
Nitrate - 15ppm
Phosphate - 0ppm
KH - 8 dKH
 
Not to tell you how to run your tank but that fish requires a much larger tank, even if your parameters are capable the fish has no room to swim especially when he grows up
 
That fish is WAY to big and active for that tank. I wouldn't even put one in my 34g (20x20x20") tank due to the room they require. They're active fish and get bigger than what you have. No angel, dwarf or otherwise, is suitable for a 6g tank. Your fish options are really limited in a nano tank. It's one of the downsides of keeping a small tank. You should be looking at small gobies, maybe a yellow tail damsel (a very pretty, inexpensive fish), and small bennies. You have a very pretty fish on your hands, but unfortunately about the farthest thing from the right tank.

Seeing that fish there brings up another concern, but I could just be reading into it. Does your LFS know what size tank you have? If they sold you that fish knowing you have a 6g tank, you should probably never take their advice again. My area is blessed with very good fish stores and all of them would have said it's a bad idea, and most probably wouldn't have sold you the fish. I wouldn't say anything to someone with a 30g tank that added that fish, but that's probably smaller than I'd want to use to use to house one.

Look at these fish for further stocking and return the flame angel or sell it to a local reefer. Hell, give it away if you can't sell it. $30-45 in stupid tax is better than killing a fish when it can be prevented. We've all paid stupid tax sometime or another in this hobby.

For future stocking, look into these fish and keep it to about 2-3 fish.

Yellow-tailed damsel
bicolor blenny
barnacle blenny (I'd say 2 count as one fish in the 3 fish stocking model)
clown goby
neon goby
most of the small shrimp gobies
firefish (you'll need a screen top as these jump)


I might be missing a few, but there aren't many fish suitable for little tanks. Even if they fit when you buy them (young clowns, for instance), they will quickly grow too big to keep. An adult perc. clown will fill the palm of your hand if you were to hold if, but you can buy it smaller than your thumb. It's very easy to overstock a saltwater tank because of the swimming and territory requirements of adult fish. You should buy a fish (and coral for that matter) for what they will become, not what they are when you get them.

You're going to get a lot of replies like this. Only you control your tank, so you're responsible for the animals in in it. The choice is yours, but there is a right and wrong one.
 
I decided to pass on the sump idea but I can always add one later if needed.
As for lighting. I found a Wave 6" 8 watt LED on amazon. Its less than 40bux and is available in daylight, blue, and a 50/50 combo. I'm thinking of possibly doing 2 of these and building my own mount. There is no controlability but then again there is none with stock Eheim light either.
 
I moved the rock some so that I could get to all the glass to clean it. I'm not sure I like it quite as much aesthetically but it does indeed help with cleaning.
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Love the Tonga Branch! Great rock choice for a Nano! Can't wait to follow...

I think nanos contrary to popular opinion are the BEST tanks to start with. For one it's fairly affordable and there's less sticker shock. Secondly a nano teaches you to be more cautious, keep a better eye in your water and gets you into go regular habbits. If all else fails you learned for a lot less money that saltwater isn't for you.

Amen! Preach on....
 
Okay so I'm working on a sutable home for my Flame angel.
In the meantime I'm looking at what I will put in the tank instead. I have heard a good number of people say that a Mandarin Goby is a great fish, and I know an LFS that has them eating mysis shrimp. Thoughts?
 
They really are beautiful fish but I personally would'nt do it.
How about some of the smaller gobies, Trimma, Eviota, or Neon Goby. Another is a Rusty goby, thet are very secretive but in the confines of a 6gal nano might be more visable.
 
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