back into SW!!!

TC3modena

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i got started in sw tanks a few years ago, first i had a FO, then a FOWLR, and of course then i had a reef. but it was costing too much for the reef, soo i emptied my tank and went back to FW:( , but i made the mistake of getting piranhas, and they were actually not that hard to take care of, but there was a lot of maintence, and they were, we'll boring, they were only fun when they ate, and then they just sat there all day, and one day they decided to eat eachother, soo i went from 4 to 1 fish. my friend is going to buy my last one off of me, soo now im going back to SW and i wanna do it right now. im not gunna do the reef, cuz i really dont of the time and of course money for that(bills, insurance, other expenses, its hard bein in this hobby when your a teenager) this time i wanna just do a FO. now i havnt been readin up on SW for awhile soo im going to need a little help. i'll give you a list of what i have as of now as far as equipment goes. 75gl AGA with overflow to a 20gl sump(i custom made, not a wet/dry, just for filters) i have a penguin bio-wheel(the biggest model, i dont remember the exact model) rena-filastar cannister(again dont remember the model, but i bought the biggest one) and an ASM G-2 skimmer. thats the basic stuff i have, i also have other random pumps and heaters and what not. ok as for what i want in the tank basically all i want is a volitan lionfish. a lionfish should be fine in the 75 right? i figured i'd put him in the 75 and then buy a real wet/dry sump with bio-balls( i remember readin that wet/drys are bad, but the guy at my LFS said wet/drys are ok for FO) and maybe on top of that a HOB skimmer if neccesary, thanks
 
Save yourself some money and some pain, don't get the bio-balls. Go Deep Sand Bed or Bare Bottom. Grow some Chaetomorphia in your sump to help export nutrients. Other than salt and sand you pretty much have everything needed for reef or FO. I personally would loose the bio-wheels and let the live rock and sand bed do the work. Good Luck with you new setup. Take your time and be patient.
 
thats the thing i dont understand, everyone here says no bio-balls in a FO, and then the guys at my LFS say its ok, and they even have wet/drys as their filter for the lionfish tank, soo how about the wet/dry with a DSB and possibly a HOB skimmer, or two
 
Bio-balls came become a nitrate factory after awhile. A friend of mine has used them for years with no problems. I would personally stay away from them. A Skimmer, DSB, Liverock, and Chaeto you'll be all set. I can't really speak for the wet/dry.
 
I used bio-balls back in the day when they were state of the art. I had a FO 90 gallon tank. They worked fine. However, I wouldn't touch them now, knowing what I know now.

I would buy live rock and use that as filtration. Use your sump as a fuge- grow a macro algae and let it suck up the nutrients from the water.

If nothing else, think of it this way- chances are you're gonna want at least a coral or two down the road. This way you're set to go.

Good luck
 
im tryin to avoid the LR because they cost you an arm n a leg, and i kno if i buy the LR then i'll want corals, and i really cant afford the corals and the lighting for a reef, soo i just want to stay FO for now with a lionfish as a show piece
 
Well, you can use the bio-balls in a FO setting. Just be religious with your water changes and monitor the nitrates.

And start saving for the live rock and lighting.......
 
You can buy one small piece of live rock and then purchase several pieces of 'dead' rock from a LFS. Over the course of a couple of months the 'dead' pieces will be seeded from the small piece of dead rock you got and viola ~ Live Rock ~
 
And another thing. You may like your LFS, heck I like my LFS but you have to remember one thing. They want you to buy the most profitible items in their store. Can you blame them? This is how they make their living. I'm sure the LFS makes more of a profit on wet/dry filters than they do 'dead' rock. But the fact remains. You want to get into this as cheap as possible. Do some research, read what others have written on the subject. I think you will find that live rock is a cheaper, more efficient and stable way of filteration over the long term.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7291593#post7291593 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by TC3modena
im tryin to avoid the LR because they cost you an arm n a leg, and i kno if i buy the LR then i'll want corals, and i really cant afford the corals and the lighting for a reef, soo i just want to stay FO for now with a lionfish as a show piece

Just being in this hobby is already going to cost you an arm and a leg.. i had a FOWLR and bio balls it was hard keeping up with water qaulity i would say with a good skimmer u got now and cheato is really cheap or can find someone nearby to give some to you for free. Then overtime just add liverock and you'll be set...a wet/dry usually cost around 100 or more anyway that can get you a decent amount of liverock. Just cause you have liverock dosent mean your gonna want corals i've hada FOWLR tank for two years but now im finally going to upgrade to reef..
 
well the sump i have now, i just glued a piece of acrylic and made two compartments, i dont really like how it functions, soo if i bought a pre-made sump, do you think i could throw my skimmer nd lots of LR rubble in the sump?
 
I may be totally off base here, but won't LR be cheaper down the road? Since it will continue to work with relatively little maintenance (or at least no more maintenance than you would be doing anyway--water changes, water quality monitoring, etc). The wet/dry system will likely fail one day--then you'll need to buy another one. Or you will need to alot more maintenance on it (cleaning the system, replacing parts, etc) than with live rock. As mentioned, you probably only need a few pieces of LR then use dead base rock to let the LR seed it and you have a whole lot of LR.

Again, I'm new to this whole hobby, but the LR seems to be a better investment in the long run.
Eric
 
Here is a link to a podcast full of cost saving tips. None of them are cutting corners, just sensible ideas that like dead rock becomes live rock when seeded with a small part of live rock. http://www.talkingreef.com/forums/showthread.php?t=162
If you don't have an iPod or MP3 player you can download iTunes to your computer and listen there. Both iTunes and the podcasts are free.
 
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