BB with Remote DSB discussion

Patio

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I want to go BB with my next setup but would like the benefits of the DSB. Are there people having success with a remote DSB in their sump/refugiums? Whats your setup?

Please give all kinds of feedback, positive and negative, and what you have found.


on the fence

Pat
 
Hey Pat...glad to meet you!

I'm sure your reading the other thread on SSB's right?
Good discussion going on right now...

IMO....A BB main with a overhead self draining (gravity) refugium with a DSB would be SUPERIOR!

BOTH benifits...best of both worlds!

Doc
 
I think it would be a bad idea. You would get one benifit of BB which is more flow, but you would still get the down side of DSB which is the phospate and complication.

If you want to go DSB put it in the main tank.

If you want to go BB go all the way.

JMHO,
Whiskey
 
Hello Wiskey! Been reading your posts for along time! NICE tank man! And I know your no flimsy reefer...you know alot....

Please explain more about..."phospate and complication"....I'm all ears man....

Doc
 
I think its false to say you can get more flow with a barebottom...I have a DSB and can get just as high of flow as is needed or anyother BB has....I like BB"s they have advantages,,but this is not one of them...

My opinion

Doc
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7646975#post7646975 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by The DOC
I think its false to say you can get more flow with a barebottom...I have a DSB and can get just as high of flow as is needed or anyother BB has....I like BB"s they have advantages,,but this is not one of them...

My opinion

Doc

Unless your sandbed has solidified into a block of cement, it's very unlikely your flow is as high as some bare-bottom tanks without causing the sand to blow around.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7646957#post7646957 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by The DOC
Hello Wiskey! Been reading your posts for along time! NICE tank man! And I know your no flimsy reefer...you know alot....

Please explain more about..."phospate and complication"....I'm all ears man....

Doc

The short story:

Phosphate part:
A great amount of detritus and phosphate is held up in a DSB, this is held up in animals, bacteria, bacterial flock, etc,.... As bacteria cycle, they release Phosphate and take it back up, but some of it is released back into the water, then eventually re-absorbed back into a sandbed. This is where Phosphate absorbers come in to arrest some of that and reduce algae while adding iron to the system, Macro algae refugiams also do their part, but I don't see how Algae can take down nutrients to a point where algae can't use it.

Segway into Complication:
Large RDP refugiams, Phosban media, critter recharge kits, banks of additives, huge alk demand due to all the bacterial life necessary to lock up all that phosphate, for the same reason huge 02 demand.

About the "more flow in BB"
There are people around here pushing 140X turnover plus a wave box, I doubt you could do that in a DSB tank, I know I had a ruff time with 50X flow and sand.


Ill stick with my huge skimmer and massive flow, it is easer to understand and control.

Hope this answers some of your questions,
Whiskey
 
Thank you....Yes I know Sunny X has 140X.....But why can't I get high flow like BB? I use course gravel on top...fine stuff settles...

Trust me I have MEGA flow...as much as (almost) any BB'er....

You can surf on the surface waves...If I had more flow it would literally blow the shin off my acros...and that terrible ol' 4 inch DSB never moves ...yes slowly migrates but thats an added benifit of watching...A reef is ever-changing....

Like I said I like BB's but to get a BB for the more flow issue is not nessisary...

Doc
 
"Unless your sandbed has solidified into a block of cement, it's very unlikely your flow is as high as some bare-bottom tanks without causing the sand to blow around."

Not as high as Sunny X I'm sure, but just as high if not higher than most BB'ers....

More flow is not its (BB) advantage in my opinion....unless you had all fine sand..now that would blow in my tank..I tried fine sand...it kept it stirred in the mini tornados my tank puts out ...thats how much flow I have...literlly mini water tornados break out throughout the day...

Doc
 
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