Black Hawaiian Triggers

[AMvYS]

What does anyone know about Black Hawaiian Triggers?

 

[viggen]

GREAT fish

no attitude

LOTS I MEAN LOTS!!!! of energy!!!!

look very cool to

Mine is in a 260g tank & I would not put a large one in anything smaller.

I just added a emperor angel, naso & blond naso tang & he didn't care that they were added. My atlantic blue tang was a complete PITA though

 

[Wolverine]

I don't have a lot of experience with them, but I would from what I've seen with our's and a few others I would say that they're a little more aggressive than pink tail triggers.

I've had them eat cleaner shrimp that were already well established in a tank.

Dave

 

[marrone]

The Black Durgen Trigger is probably one of the more underappreciated triggers around. Because it usually stressed out in LFS it looks very black and doesn't show all the colors that it has around the face and through the body. It does get pretty large and needs hiding space as it can be on the shy side.

AMvYS if what you have listed as a tank and fish, 125 FOWLR saltwater - niger trigger, purple tang, queen angel, snowflake eel, sohol tang, golden puffer & clown trigger, you either need to get a larger tank or get rid of some of your fish.

 

[I like Triggers]

marrone, if you look in the book "marine fishes" by scott w. michael, all those fish will be ok in there, except maybe the sohal. i would say he is fine with a 125

 

[marrone]

I like Triggers, a lot of the sizes and tank requirements in Scott W. Michael book aren't correct.

Also to say all those fish that AMvYS has in his tank is ok is completely wrong and is not some thing that should be remcommanded to anyone, it's just an accident waiting to happen. All of those fish will out grow that tank, and that's not to mention that right now they're all in the same tank at this moment.

 

[I like Triggers]

well the fish are small and have many years to live in it.

 

[marrone]

Here is a list of what AMvYS has in his 125 Fowlr tank:

Niger trigger
Purple tang
Queen angel
Snowflake eel
Sohol tang
Golden puffer
Clown trigger

Outside of the Snowflake eel all these other fish get large and get large very fast and a 125gal tank would be to small.

 

[I like Triggers]

howcome in his signature his list reads:
baby niger trigger <--- in a few years will need a new home
yellow tang <--- no problem in a 125
sohol tang <---- 125 not suitable
golden puffer <--- Arothron meleagris? if so its ok
white tail trigger <--- sufflamen family? if so its ok
2 small damsels <--- fine in 125

clown trigger, snowflake, queen angel, purple tang... where are those listed?

 

[marrone]

He must have just changed it because I copy and pasted what he had down when he posted the other day. Maybe some of those fish died and he didn't change it. Also look at his picture gallery he has a picture of a Queen angel in there.

 

[viggen]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6897168#post6897168 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Wolverine
I don't have a lot of experience with them, but I would from what I've seen with our's and a few others I would say that they're a little more aggressive than pink tail triggers.

I've had them eat cleaner shrimp that were already well established in a tank.

Dave

I know what your problem is.... your a wolverine & not a buckeye LOL.....

Anyways, I had a pinktail that was the meanist fish I ever owned. He chased a blue angel who was half again the trigger size out of the tank. My guess is the prev. owner probably made him angry & unloaded him to the local fish store

mine isn't agressive just HYPER!!!

Sixxer from this site purchased a very large hawian trigger & his emperor killed him Trigger was the new guy in the tank though

 

[AMvYS]

The list that marrone is speaking of is old. i tore this tank down at one time anticipating on getting a larger tank (260).Those plans fell through and I sold a few of the fish on my old list. I have updated the list and those are my current fish. I understand that as these fish get older they will have to be seperated, but until that time comes i will keep them together.

 

[Wolverine]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6904838#post6904838 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by I like Triggers
marrone, if you look in the book "marine fishes" by scott w. michael, all those fish will be ok in there, except maybe the sohal. i would say he is fine with a 125

There are two problems with this. One is the well-documented problems with those tank sizes, which, even give that, are listed as the absolute minimum.
The other problem is that the tank-sizes listed assume that there are no confounding factors, such as other similarly shaped fish or fish with similar diets.

Dave

 

[marrone]

Dave

I think a big problem is a lot of people use "Marine Fishes" by Scott W. Michael as some sort of bible of fish keeping and there are a lot of problems in it with fish and tank size. I see a lot of people quoting directly from it here on RC and also at LFS. Because of it people seem to think it's ok to keep certain fish that are hard to keep or under estimate how large some fish get and required tank size.
Michael

Michael

 

[I like Triggers]

well blame the LFS's. all of them sware by it and actually, like you said, use it like a bible. its become a very popular book, maybe because its true, or maybe because it is just what people want to hear.

 

[marrone]

A guy at a LFS by me, that purchase fish for the store and is very knowledgeable about fish, comment on the book and the sizes listed, for fish and tank requirment needed. He said that if the author had actually listed the actual sizes and tank requirments a lot of the places wouldn't carry the book as it would be a turn off to people looking to buy fish that they were carring.

 

[Wolverine]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6915810#post6915810 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by marrone
Dave

I think a big problem is a lot of people use "Marine Fishes" by Scott W. Michael as some sort of bible of fish keeping and there are a lot of problems in it with fish and tank size. I see a lot of people quoting directly from it here on RC and also at LFS. Because of it people seem to think it's ok to keep certain fish that are hard to keep or under estimate how large some fish get and required tank size.

I agree that it is definitely a problem. The reason it's done is mainly to minimize discrediting in the other direction. IE, if he says you need a 180g to keep a yellow tang alive, there will be a lot of people coming out and showing smaller tanks with tangs alive, so they have to be conservative (on the small end) for that). I don't agree with it, but, from a marketting perspective, I understand the reasoning. I realize as I'm writing this that it goes along with what marrone is saying.

That said, I honestly wish that more stores would use it as a bible. There would be a lot fewer unsuitable animals being sold if that were the case. IMO, the rest of the information in there (and in Scott's Reef Fishes series) is fantastic. I think it's important to spread the word that the minimum sizes mentioned in there are absolute minimums, and are often understatements, but I don't think that means we have to throw out the whole book.

Dave