Centropyge mapping

[wayne in norway]

I guess this would be a straightforward excercise , but....

Centropyge are pretty popular fish (because they are the best fish!), but has anyone tried to 'map' out what's closely related to what, and what's not so close, and if so , do they have a link to it.

I'm guessing it might be easier to mix these fish, or to select pairs that might pair and combinations that are a little more likely to ignore each other.

I'll put up my effort when I've finished, but I'd like to see one from someone better at this than me.

 

[LemonLemon]

not sure about mapping, but as far as complexes go, there are some centropyge that belong in the same complex. wether or not these fishes in the same complex are allopatric species originated from one fish, or are separate species, i'm not sure.

allopatric species meaning a single species is separated by intrinsic forces, and then each of these separated specimens evolve slighly to become new species.

example of dwarf angel complexes are the argi complex. where we have C. argi, C. resplendent, C. acanthops and C. aurantonotus.

there are more complexes within the dwarf angel genus. i'm not sure of them all though, but i know argi complex is 1 of the well known ones.


perhaps mixing species within the same complex is not a good idea. i dunno

 

[LisaD]

A great reference is Scott Michael's book "Butterfly fishes and Angelfishes". You will find a lot of information about hybrids collected in the wild, and can infer that species which hybridize are closely related and may be species complexes, as LemonLemon stated.

 

[Jordani]

The multicolor complex has C. debelius, C. nahackyi and C. multicolor

 

[wayne in norway]

So we might have the multicolor complex as above
A complex of joculator, hotamatua
'Argi' complex - argi, acanthops,aurantonotus,,resplendens,fisheri/flavicauda
'Flame' complex' - flame, shepardi, ferrugata

Ferrugata seems to link to a complex of
bispinosa, flavipectoralis, multispinosa and maybe nox

Complex of eibli, vroilikii, cf. eiblii, flavissima, bicolor
Abei by itself

And there's still a good number to go. Potters, interrupta, tibicen, colini, nigrocella

I am aware there is a subgenus split.

 

[LemonLemon]

colini is very closely related to narcosis. and maybe nigrocella

 

[mjoener]

I haven't seen anything in relation to mapping but John Coppolino talked about submitting DNA samples to labs for DNA mapping at the conference in MI last month.

 

[copps]

I haven't seen anything in relation to mapping but John Coppolino talked about submitting DNA samples to labs for DNA mapping at the conference in MI last month.

Coincidentally the world expert on this topic, Rich Pyle, was also a speaker at the conference last month in Michigan. Rich did his PhD thesis on the classification of Pomacanthidae, including an entire long (and wonderful :reading chapter on Centropyge. He went of course into great depth, but broke up Centropyge into three subgenera... Paracentropyge (Rich considers this a subgenus, which includes C. multifasciata, C. venusta, and of course C. boylei)... Xiphipops includes the "argi complex" and C. argi, C. aurantonota, C. resplendens, C. acanthops, C. flavicauda, C. fisheri, and oddly enough C. nigriocella... all other species fall under the Centropyge subgenus, which is of course then broken up into multiple complexes from there...

Copps

 

[Sheol]

"argi" is best known. Paracentropyge Genus or Subgenus? And all others.

Matthew