saltysteven
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will a cleaner wrasse take care of ich?
cleaner wrasse
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paulamrein
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It usually will help with ich, but all in all it can't do the job efficiently, in the wild, there are only 1 or 2 ich spots on any given fish at anytime. So to have to clean multiple spots off they can't handle the work load. And, not to mention what would clean the cleaner if it got ich, which it would. Most cleaner wrasses don't take to prepared foods as well as a neon gobie. Go with a few gobies if you would like. But it's not going to eliminate ich all together. The only way to eliminate ich is to treat all the fish in a separate tank with copper or hypo.
paulamrein
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until the introduction of another fish. Ich doesn't just go away on it's own. If you have a huge tank, than you will not see huge numbers. But those in a smaller tank will have astronomical numbers no matter what they do.
paulamrein
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"debate" is based on opinion, Eliminating ich is a fact. And can only be done certain ways. It's not like the tang police that speculate whether or not a tang can live in a 4' tank. Ich is there, treat it with a known cure than ich is gone, Period.
RBU1
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Like I said I hate this debate.......You have your opinions on ICH and I have my opinions on ICH. If you have a healthy fish they will not get a lethal ICH attack.......and cleaners are enough to keep the ich under control.
See the problem I made I purchased almost all my fish from fellow hobiest's so I thought they would be ich free. Well when I had my 180 I had an ich outbreak. Every fish was covered, hippo, sailfin, yellow, and even my dog faced puffer were covered. I basically just added some cleaner fish and continued to feed a quality diet. The ich went away and was not seen in over 3 months. I upgraded from a 180 to a 300 so I figured for sure with the stress of the transfer the ich would come back. But guess what NO ICH........
Now I purchased an Achilles tang. I figured why not use the Qurentine tank I have just to be safe. I quarentined the Achilles for almost 3 weeks. Had him eating like a pig and he looked perfect not a spot in sight. I added him to my 300 gallon main tank and guess what........ICH!!!!!!!! He has been in my main tank now for almost 4 weeks and still has spots on him. He is eating like a champ and I feel confident that if I keep feeding him a good diet he will fight it off. Like I said there are so many opinions on this ich. Some people think ich is not present in a system unless you introduce it. Some people think ich is always present but only stressed fish get it. I am not sure what I think but I only go by what I expierience.
See the problem I made I purchased almost all my fish from fellow hobiest's so I thought they would be ich free. Well when I had my 180 I had an ich outbreak. Every fish was covered, hippo, sailfin, yellow, and even my dog faced puffer were covered. I basically just added some cleaner fish and continued to feed a quality diet. The ich went away and was not seen in over 3 months. I upgraded from a 180 to a 300 so I figured for sure with the stress of the transfer the ich would come back. But guess what NO ICH........
Now I purchased an Achilles tang. I figured why not use the Qurentine tank I have just to be safe. I quarentined the Achilles for almost 3 weeks. Had him eating like a pig and he looked perfect not a spot in sight. I added him to my 300 gallon main tank and guess what........ICH!!!!!!!! He has been in my main tank now for almost 4 weeks and still has spots on him. He is eating like a champ and I feel confident that if I keep feeding him a good diet he will fight it off. Like I said there are so many opinions on this ich. Some people think ich is not present in a system unless you introduce it. Some people think ich is always present but only stressed fish get it. I am not sure what I think but I only go by what I expierience.
paulamrein
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Ich is introduced into the tank, it's not in our tap or ro/di units. So absolutely it is introduced. If it is introduced than it can be eliminated. Saying you have my opinion I have mine is saying I have my opinion about the world is round and others don't. The opinion comes from the fact whether you want to eliminate it or not. It's great that you haven't seen any moralities coming from your ich outbreaks. But what about secondary infections? Ask others about how no matter how they feed or how many cleaners they put in it still killed their fish. Ask Charlie's Angel (another reefer on here) see what they have to say about the exact situation you are describing as your "cure" Dealing with ich they way you describe is very low in the way of odds of success. It's worked for you so far. I wish it will work forever for you. but odds are it won't and there will be something that sets off a outbreak. I've read it described as like playing russian roulette no one wins, people just get to play longer.
And my "opinions" are based on many months of research from Marine biologists and ichthyologist on the subject. Not fellow reefers and lfs owners that choose not to use QT.
And my "opinions" are based on many months of research from Marine biologists and ichthyologist on the subject. Not fellow reefers and lfs owners that choose not to use QT.
paulamrein
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Find where they went wrong, following your formula almost to the letter.
http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1317473
http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1317473
paulamrein
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Fair enough. I'm not one to argue about anything, I just think it would benefit people who are wanting an end to parasites to have a way. Let's agree to disagree. Your point is valid, and has many truths to it. I think our points are in the extremes. You are talking about the average run of the mill outbreak and I am talking about defcon 5. Perhaps another time, another subject.
paulamrein
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It's also ALWAYS based on individual fish. I've seen Copperbanded butterflies and Morish Idols live for years where most of fish, couldn't keep them a month. I've seen various angels live among corals with no problems and others that can't put any corals near them. Tangs in general seem to have most of the weird quirks about them, with aggression, feeding habits, and immunity. If you have one of those tangs that seem to pull through regardless. You got him for a steal. Too bad they don't breed, I would say to get them a mate and sell them for $1,000.
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