Combination, Cypro and brook simultaneously

Steve_B

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I have a 225 fish only, true fish only no living rock, just fish. Iââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢m presently treating my entire display tank with hypo for crypto. It is absolutely Crypto. I used copper about a month or so ago but didnââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢t complete the .15 for a full 14 days because the fish were showing too much stress. I went about 10 days, crossed my fingers and hoped for the best. I stopped it short because it appeared the stress was too much. Now the crypt came back, and worse then the first outbreak obviously.

I started using hypo at .09, on 4/6/2006 when it hit 09. About a day or so down to the .09 after spending 4 days at .09, my queen Angel was showing obvious signs of major improvement. It would rush up to the side of the tank when I walked into the room, just as it always has done before. I did many huge water changes before treating at all, to see if that would help. I would say I changed 200% of the water in my 225gal tank in 2 months. The queen was showing signs of what I thought was HLLE in its face at the same time as the crypto outbreak. I attributed it to all of the stress, and being off of its sponge and veggie food. I have turned HLLE around in the past with a proper diet, but I couldnââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢t get this queen to eat what it needed. What I thought was HLLE; I now believe it to be brook. Erosion from HLLE will be seen as a deepening corrosion of tissue, not raised patches that my queen angel is showing on its face now. It has some raised scales as well. My tusk now has a protrusion (about 3 times the size as 1 crypto cyst). The angel was eating like a horse, and foods it wouldn't eat before the hypo began, so the hypo has apparently improved the crypto problem. The crypto symptoms are not visible at this point, but my queen has gone back to its lethargic just hanging around in one place behavior. Itââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢s still eating well, but I donââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢t expect that to last much longer. My plan now is to put the queen in my hospital/quarantine tank, which hasn't had a fish in it for over a month; I didn't expect hypo to have any effect on brook, which as I said, I thought was HLLE. Brook responds to formalin baths. I have several questions regarding this whole thing, if anybody here has any experience with a dual outbreak like this. All of my water parameters are where they are supposed to be, except the 09 water, which you could probably drink itââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢s so weak. LOL, Itââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢s just a matter of dealing with 2 diseases simultaneously. Can I treat with formilan while doing hypo at the same time, without pushing the queen over the edge? Any thoughts would be appreciated.
 
I didnââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢t have a chance to read the info in the link you posted because Iââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢m in a rush to leave. I can say that my last big angel that develobed hole in the head was cured by adding sponge to its diet. After I read the info I'll get into my queens diet.

I guess my BOTTOM LINE question is if formalin dips can be used WHILE the fish in 09 water?
 
I have treated a couple of tangs for Flukes..I lowered the salinity as far as 1.010 and I did Formalin dips at this SG. Just watch the temp, make sure it doesnt get up to 80
 
Sorry if I wasn't clear, Steve.

When I wrote:
The formalin dips should not pose a problem, but I have never tried that before.

I meant that the two could be done at the same time, as far as I know, but I had not done that before, myself.
 
Iââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢m only home for a short while now, so I still havenââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢t read the link.

The short version of the diet is basically anything I can get them to eat, in any way I can do it. For example, I have been able to get the queen, and most of the others in my 225 to eat angel formula. BTW, does anybody know of a sponge food that fish like better than angel formula? The queen will only eat it if itââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢s really hungry, the first feeding of the day. After it eats it (about Ã"šÃ‚¾ of a cube), he swims around like he just ate something horrible and itââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢s disgusted. Iââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢ve also been able to sneak it into food by melting it down, mixing it with something it likes and refreezing. I try seaweed selects in some of my mixtures (either liquefied pellets and whatever else I think they will go for). It spits out the seaweed as soon as it hits a piece in the mixture. Its favorite food WAS lifeline herbivore frozen food. It turned it down a few times now in the past few days. I also mix Spirulina pellets formula 1&2, and a couple of other herbivore/carnivore pellets, and soak them in vitachem, or selcon and garlic. Thatââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢s all I can think of right now, oh I just remembered, it will not eat Mysis. Thatââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢s pretty strange because even the most finicky always go after it like mad.

Lee, no problem I knew what you were saying, and thanks.
Kim, just to clarify, the tank the fish was in was at 10? Was that for an extended length of time, like mine has been at 09 since 4/6? Were you treating for crypto or trying to kill the flukes with the 10, and did 10 do any good at killing flukes?

Iââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢m kind of on the fence (now) about it having brook, so Iââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢m going to hold off on formalin right now. The crypt appears to be gone, but Iââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢ll keep it at 09 for the full 4 weeks. Part of me wonders if the 09 is causing stress and appetite loss NOW. Hopefully after the water is back up to around 23, and hopefully the angelsââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢ appetite will be strong again, Iââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢ll see what happens. Iââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢m leaning towards not using formalin if symptoms remain the same. I donââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢t like using treatments unless Iââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢m pretty sure I have the correct diagnosis. Obviously I wouldnââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢t want to wait giving treatment for a sure thing. (but how many are sure things, lol) I also wouldnââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢t want to allow a disease to progress to the point that the fish is so weakened itââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢s too late. Iââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢m going to play the possible brook problem by ear, keep very close watch on progression or digression, which I try to do at all times anyway.


And, BTW if it isn't obvious and phoney joke, the info about myself regarding experience with fish , occupation is just a joke. I'm not really 90 some years old and a mad scientist. I'm really only in my 80's and the head transplants are only partially true :D
 
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