Comprehensive Article About Carbon Dosing - Manta Systems Article

Tamara Marshall

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Did you miss this one? If you've been struggling with high nitrate and phosphate levels in your saltwater aquarium, it's time to revisit one of our fan favorites. Carbon dosing isn't just a buzzword; it's a proven method to enhance the quality of your aquarium water biologically. This refreshed guide dives back into the basics and beyond, explaining how simple organic compounds like vodka, vinegar, or sugar can be the secret to maintaining a pristine aquatic environment.

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The science of carbon dosing and how it effectively reduces nitrates and phosphates.
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Practical steps to start carbon dosing, tailored for beginners and seasoned aquarists alike.
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Insights into selecting the right type of carbon source for your specific tank needs.

Dive into the article to uncover how you can achieve lower nutrient levels and a healthier tank ecosystem with our straightforward tips and strategies. Perfect for those who might have skimmed over it before or newcomers eager to get their water parameters on track!

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What people are missing with adding labile DOC, aka carbon dosing, is the problems it causes with corals. There's no doubt stimulating bacterial growth will consume nitrates and phosphates. However, stimulating bacterial growth in the surface mucus layers and holobionts of corals has been shown to directly lead to both chronic and acute problems. The increased availabile labile DOC allows heterotrophic microbial processes to utilize refractory DOC they would not normally be able to consume but this comes with the risk of creating anoxic conditions for corals. I feel I also need to point out turbidity isn't a reliable indicator of microbial counts, this paper shows microbial counts can be quite high without an associated increase of trubidity

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Here's some links for those interested in reading more about the how DOC works in reef ecosystems:

"Coral Reefs in the Microbial Seas " This video compliments Rohwer's book of the same title. Used copies are available on line and it may be free to read on Internet Archive. both deal with the conflicting roles of the different types of DOC (carbon dosing) in reef ecosystems and how it can alter coral microbiomes. While there is overlap bewteen his book and the video both have information not covered by the other and together give a broader view of the complex relationships found in reef ecosystems and are an excellent starting point to understand the conflicting roles of Dissolved Organic Carbon (DOC, aka "carbon dosing") in reef ecosystems.

Maintenance of Coral Reef Health (refferences at the end)

Indirect effects of algae on coral: algaeโ€mediated, microbeโ€induced coral mortality

Influence of coral and algal exudates on microbially mediated reef metabolism.
Coral DOC improves oxygen (autotrophy), algae DOC reduces oxygen (heterotrophy).

Role of elevated organic carbon levels and microbial activity in coral mortality

Effects of Coral Reef Benthic Primary Producers on Dissolved Organic Carbon and Microbial Activity
Algae releases significantly more DOC into the water than coral.

Pathologies and mortality rates caused by organic carbon and nutrient stressors in three Caribbean coral species.
DOC caused coral death but not high nitrates, phosphates or ammonium.

Visualization of oxygen distribution patterns caused by coral and algae

Biological oxygen demand optode analysis of coral reef-associated microbial communities exposed to algal exudates
Exposure to exudates derived from turf algae stimulated higher oxygen drawdown by the coral-associated bacteria.

Microbial ecology: Algae feed a shift on coral reefs

Coral and macroalgal exudates vary in neutral sugar composition and differentially enrich reef bacterioplankton lineages.

Sugar enrichment provides evidence for a role of nitrogen fixation in coral bleaching

Elevated ammonium delays the impairment of the coral-dinoflagellate symbiosis during labile carbon pollution
(here's an argument for maintaining heavy fish loads if you're carbon dosing)

Excess labile carbon promotes the expression of virulence factors in coral reef bacterioplankton

Unseen players shape benthic competition on coral reefs.

Allelochemicals Produced by Brown Macroalgae of the Lobophora Genus Are Active against Coral Larvae and Associated Bacteria, Supporting Pathogenic Shifts to Vibrio Dominance.

Macroalgae decrease growth and alter microbial community structure of the reef-building coral, Porites astreoides.

Macroalgal extracts induce bacterial assemblage shifts and sublethal tissue stress in Caribbean corals.

Biophysical and physiological processes causing oxygen loss from coral reefs.

Global microbialization of coral reefs
DDAM Proven

Coral Reef Microorganisms in a Changing Climate, Fig 3

Ecosystem Microbiology of Coral Reefs: Linking Genomic, Metabolomic, and Biogeochemical Dynamics from Animal Symbioses to Reefscape Processes
 
You definitely need a skimmer to remove bacteria when you dose carbon. When my skimmate since dosing vodka has gone from tea color to dark beer color. Dosing 3 25ml doses a day for 100 gallon tank. Corals look fine, but Nitrates only dropping about 5 percent a week on this schedule, so not happy about that.
 
What people are missing with adding labile DOC, aka carbon dosing, is the problems it causes with corals. There's no doubt stimulating bacterial growth will consume nitrates and phosphates. However, stimulating bacterial growth in the surface mucus layers and holobionts of corals has been shown to directly lead to both chronic and acute problems. The increased availabile labile DOC allows heterotrophic microbial processes to utilize refractory DOC they would not normally be able to consume but this comes with the risk of creating anoxic conditions for corals. I feel I also need to point out turbidity isn't a reliable indicator of microbial counts, this paper shows microbial counts can be quite high without an associated increase of trubidity

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Here's some links for those interested in reading more about the how DOC works in reef ecosystems:

"Coral Reefs in the Microbial Seas " This video compliments Rohwer's book of the same title. Used copies are available on line and it may be free to read on Internet Archive. both deal with the conflicting roles of the different types of DOC (carbon dosing) in reef ecosystems and how it can alter coral microbiomes. While there is overlap bewteen his book and the video both have information not covered by the other and together give a broader view of the complex relationships found in reef ecosystems and are an excellent starting point to understand the conflicting roles of Dissolved Organic Carbon (DOC, aka "carbon dosing") in reef ecosystems.

Maintenance of Coral Reef Health (refferences at the end)

Indirect effects of algae on coral: algaeโ€mediated, microbeโ€induced coral mortality

Influence of coral and algal exudates on microbially mediated reef metabolism.
Coral DOC improves oxygen (autotrophy), algae DOC reduces oxygen (heterotrophy).

Role of elevated organic carbon levels and microbial activity in coral mortality

Effects of Coral Reef Benthic Primary Producers on Dissolved Organic Carbon and Microbial Activity
Algae releases significantly more DOC into the water than coral.

Pathologies and mortality rates caused by organic carbon and nutrient stressors in three Caribbean coral species.
DOC caused coral death but not high nitrates, phosphates or ammonium.

Visualization of oxygen distribution patterns caused by coral and algae

Biological oxygen demand optode analysis of coral reef-associated microbial communities exposed to algal exudates
Exposure to exudates derived from turf algae stimulated higher oxygen drawdown by the coral-associated bacteria.

Microbial ecology: Algae feed a shift on coral reefs

Coral and macroalgal exudates vary in neutral sugar composition and differentially enrich reef bacterioplankton lineages.

Sugar enrichment provides evidence for a role of nitrogen fixation in coral bleaching

Elevated ammonium delays the impairment of the coral-dinoflagellate symbiosis during labile carbon pollution
(here's an argument for maintaining heavy fish loads if you're carbon dosing)

Excess labile carbon promotes the expression of virulence factors in coral reef bacterioplankton

Unseen players shape benthic competition on coral reefs.

Allelochemicals Produced by Brown Macroalgae of the Lobophora Genus Are Active against Coral Larvae and Associated Bacteria, Supporting Pathogenic Shifts to Vibrio Dominance.

Macroalgae decrease growth and alter microbial community structure of the reef-building coral, Porites astreoides.

Macroalgal extracts induce bacterial assemblage shifts and sublethal tissue stress in Caribbean corals.

Biophysical and physiological processes causing oxygen loss from coral reefs.

Global microbialization of coral reefs
DDAM Proven

Coral Reef Microorganisms in a Changing Climate, Fig 3

Ecosystem Microbiology of Coral Reefs: Linking Genomic, Metabolomic, and Biogeochemical Dynamics from Animal Symbioses to Reefscape Processes
Awesome share! Thank you for adding this to the conversation :)
 
You definitely need a skimmer to remove bacteria when you dose carbon. When my skimmate since dosing vodka has gone from tea color to dark beer color. Dosing 3 25ml doses a day for 100 gallon tank. Corals look fine, but Nitrates only dropping about 5 percent a week on this schedule, so not happy about that.

Keep in mind skimmers don't remove a lot of stuff. There's also the issue of nitrates being generated in your system besides food that's being added. Corals and cryptic sponges have diazotrophs that will convert N2 into ammonia and nitrates.
 
I used gallons of NOPOX and then I went another way. With a sulfur reactor and LaCl I had separate control over my Nitrate and Phos. This has worked extremely well. I still run a bio pellet reactor. It takes some off the top and lets me fine tune with the reactor and doser.
 
My Phosphates are .05. My nitrates, after 5 weeks of dosing vinegar, are 65 with Hanna checker. I had triton ICP and all water parameters were within acceptable limits. I do 10 percent weekly water change and dosing vinegar and it is taking forever to reduce nitrates. Only have a few corals and no visible sponges. My ato water shows zero nitrates, again per Hanna checker.
 
The true problem with carbon doing is it only works well when Phos and nitrate are both high. Once one or the other gets low it slows down greatly. If one hits zero is stops mostly or you get slime growing on things in the tank that have bound phosphates.
Both can be dosed. I have done that. But this is what led me to sulfur reactors and LaCl.
If one is good I can fix the other by itself.
 
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