Cupramine Treatment Length

[Deinonych]

By "glancing" I assume you mean the same as scratching. IME; sometimes fish still exhibit symptoms even after the trophonts are gone. I think it's because the trophonts have irritated the fish's skin/gills by feeding on it and it still itches/bothers them. It takes a while for the tissue to fully heal.

I also don't believe in some cases that copper kills all of the theronts right away, especially during a heavy infestation. I know in a perfect world the copper should zap them all instantaneously. But I think sometimes a few make it onto the fish before the copper can do it's thing. Kinda like bug spray not killing every single roach that crawls over it. You just gotta hope the copper zaps them all the next time around. Which is why treating for 4-6 weeks is a good idea IMO.

Yes, glancing = scratching.

Thanks for the information. Was starting to think I had come across some mutant strain of crypt that was resistant to copper. None of the fish are showing spots (and my wrasse has never exhibited symptoms), and they are all eating like pigs, so clearly the medication is having a positive effect. In any case, I have CP on hand just in case the copper doesn't do the trick. Thanks again!

 

[coral_lagoon]

Your clownfish could also be infected with flukes. So I would also treat with Prazi Pro..

 

[Deinonych]

Your clownfish could also be infected with flukes. So I would also treat with Prazi Pro..

Didn't think about that. I'll run them through a treatment of Prazi for good measure, then.

 

[Deinonych]

OK, another update. Starting to get really frustrated now. I noticed some white spots near my foxface's dorsal spines this morning. He has been in CP at 40mg/g for a little over a week now. Now, I did get the CP from a source on eBay, so I have no way to verify its purity or efficacy. I'm going to ask my vet tomorrow if he'll write me a script for CP so I can be sure I'm getting the real stuff. Any thoughts on other courses of action?

 

[coral_lagoon]

OK, another update. Starting to get really frustrated now. I noticed some white spots near my foxface's dorsal spines this morning. He has been in CP at 40mg/g for a little over a week now. Now, I did get the CP from a source on eBay, so I have no way to verify its purity or efficacy. I'm going to ask my vet tomorrow if he'll write me a script for CP so I can be sure I'm getting the real stuff. Any thoughts on other courses of action?

This is why I don't use CP. With CP there's no test kits for testing it. It's also unstable,and can cause gastrointestinal problems in fish.. I don't know what all the hype is with this medication. I've been using Cupramine for years,and all my fish have been thriving for years too..

 

[Deinonych]

All I know is that CP is the medication of choice for large public aquariums. I was talking with Matt Wandell (from the Steinhart Aquarium) at MACNA yesterday and he confirmed that they use CP for effective treatment. He said they don't use copper anymore because it's too harsh.

Either way, I can't use copper on this particular fish because he won't tolerate it. I'm not giving up on CP yet.

 

[coral_lagoon]

All I know is that CP is the medication of choice for large public aquariums. I was talking with Matt Wandell (from the Steinhart Aquarium) at MACNA yesterday and he confirmed that they use CP for effective treatment. He said they don't use copper anymore because it's too harsh.

Either way, I can't use copper on this particular fish because he won't tolerate it. I'm not giving up on CP yet.

I've treated many fish with Cupramine at .3 mgl dosage ,even dwarf Angels. There's no real hard evidence on copper being " harsh". At least with Cupramine you can measure the dosage unlike CP.. With that being said. I can see folks that don't practice quarantine using CP as a last ditch effort. Me, I never rush things,and like to quarantine my fish ( one fish in one tank at a time)..

 

[lagatbezan]

just a thought, are you sure the spots are ich? they might be lymphocytes.

 

[Deinonych]

Yes, I am very sure they are ich lesions/spots.

 

[Deinonych]

I've treated many fish with Cupramine at .3 mgl dosage ,even dwarf Angels. There's no real hard evidence on copper being " harsh". At least with Cupramine you can measure the dosage unlike CP.. With that being said. I can see folks that don't practice quarantine using CP as a last ditch effort. Me, I never rush things,and like to quarantine my fish ( one fish in one tank at a time)..

If Cupramine works for you, more power to you. I too have used Cupramine successfully on many of my fish. However, I am in a situation where Cupramine is not an option, so I need an alternative. Based on conversations here, as well as a number of sources online and in print, CP is a viable alternative to Cupramine.

 

[jazzman7838]

I've treated many fish with Cupramine at .3 mgl dosage ,even dwarf Angels. There's no real hard evidence on copper being " harsh". At least with Cupramine you can measure the dosage unlike CP.. With that being said. I can see folks that don't practice quarantine using CP as a last ditch effort. Me, I never rush things,and like to quarantine my fish ( one fish in one tank at a time)..

There is plenty of evidence that copper has negative affects on the growth and immune response of fish if you're willing to look:
http://www.environment.gov.au/syste...-2579-4636-b553-1715177aea9c/files/ssr117.pdf
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11417716
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/etc.5620170921/abstract
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF01705434

There is a way to test for CP using a UV spectrophotometer. It stays stable in seawater so there is no real need to test for it assuming you start with an accurate dose.

 

[johnzimm]

prophylactic med

prophylactic med

I would treat with Cupramine for 5 weeks and then monitor for the last 3 wks to make sure there are no other signs of disease

After treating with Cupermine for 6 weeks I then treat with PraziPro. Is anyone else using a prophylactic med on new fish?