Dang it man ! What is this

[sweeper7]

So yesterday I saw my Angel fish had spots on it, looked more like baby powder than "salt" so I ignored it and gave it ad ay to see if it goes away as I heard 1 method is to stress the fish out less with quick treatment and have it fihgt it on its own if he is swimming eating and doing everything normal.

Well I come home and saw another fish with it so [profanity] its prazi and cupramine time.

Today I woke up and they looked okay with cupramine and prazi in the bucket.

I added a bit more Prazi as I had under dosed and 3 of the fishes within 2 minutes started to swim upside and go sideways on the bottom than spurt and move as if trying to jump out etc. What just happened?

I am SO SICK of this [profanity] I even QT everythign wiht TREATMENT for weeks man.

 

[Painted skin]

You did the right thing giving it time and observing, a lot of time people hit the panic button too fast just because there is a couple white spots and the fish is eating and swimming. They take it out and starting treating them putting them under more stress, unless it got worst in this case it was so QT was a good call.

Um did you check the ammonia level and the copper level in the QT?

 

[sweeper7]

Okay WTH haplened...

In the morning thrg looked fine except for 1. I put the fish in a bucket with prazipro n cupramine. So I added more doses as I under dosed yesterday and within 2 min THEY all went crazy and died.

Uh is this normal?

 

[sweeper7]

I had a 75w jäger heater in a 2 gallon bucket my dad said the water was very warm.. Is it possible Thry cooked?

 

[11f150]

Yeah I would say something was def wrong with the water if they freaked out trying to get out. I would say heat was it

 

[CedzAquAddictio]

Ouch. Quite possible. Even when I have my heaters set to keep my water at 79 (calibrated with a real thermometer), the water still feels somewhat cool to the touch...

I even thought my heaters didn't work at first until doublechecked with an actual thermometer...

 

[sweeper7]

Here is the odd thing, right when I put my 2nd dose they went insane so could it have been that?

 

[MellowReefer]

Prazipro is deadly if there's any ammonia in the water. If you had no filter in the bucket (with an established biofilter) than there was likely ammonia in your water and the Prazipro interacted with ammonia in a deadly way. The bottle says to make sure there's no ammonia in your water (I think they say to do a large water change before).

 

[sweeper7]

it was water from my DT, only 2 gallons.

 

[MellowReefer]

How long were the fish in the bucket for?

 

[sweeper7]

8 hours or so

 

[MellowReefer]

You shouldn't leave fish in a bucket with no filter for that long - the ammonia builds up to toxic levels. They might have survived that level of ammonia (as fish do when shipped overnight) but the prazipro somehow interacts with the ammonia making it more deadly. For next time you need to treat fish you should get a proper hospital tank/quarantine tank set up with a hang on back filter that you can put in some bioballs that you keep in your main tank till you need the QT. Cupramine treatment takes at least a few weeks (I do four) so putting them in a bucket for a few hours with that is pointless. The Prazipro could be done as a dip for 30-60 minutes with fresh tank water but it sounds like it wouldn't have helped your fish anyway since Prazipro doesn't treat marine velvet or ich - for that you need Cupramine for a few weeks. Hope that helps for next time.

 

[sweeper7]

Where is this "dangerous ammonia" talk coming from? Who said I had ammonia

 

[pkane11384]

Prazipro is deadly if there's any ammonia in the water. If you had no filter in the bucket (with an established biofilter) than there was likely ammonia in your water and the Prazipro interacted with ammonia in a deadly way. The bottle says to make sure there's no ammonia in your water (I think they say to do a large water change before).

Read what he said. If there's even a trace of ammonia Prazipro is no go. You had your fish in a bucket with two gallons of water that was unfiltered for 8 hours. There was bound to be ammonia in that water

 

[sweeper7]

people QT their fish wiht prazi and no filter as the cupramine will kill the beneficial bacter and they dont die.

 

[Khemul]

people QT their fish wiht prazi and no filter as the cupramine will kill the beneficial bacter and they dont die.

They do it the right way. Large water changes, ammonia absorbing media, etc.. There are ways to filter a system without bacteria. Bacteria is just used in aquariums because it is effectively free and self-regulating. There are alternatives.

The main problem you are seeing is that 2 gallons is an extremely small amount of water. You mentioned an angelfish, which means we are probably not talking nano fish here. So you are effectively guaranteed to have ammonia in that amount of time, with 3 fish in a 2 gallon bucket.



Also, for future reference, running that heater/bucket-size combination can also be a disaster. Even the best heater can overshoot the thermostat in that situation.

 

[sweeper7]

here is my concern now.

Was it a heater disaster? An ammonia disaster which would make sense because once I poured my SECOND dose of Prazi in the morning the fish wetn INSANE instantly? Or was it fluke/velvet that contributed anyway. I ask this now because I don't know if my 2 fish in the DT have it or not becasue if it were velvelt it would have died by now right?

My 2 Anthias in the DT look fine. I only put 3 fish in that bucket becasue it was all i could fit for only a few hours since it happened nearly 2 AM

 

[Voxboy]

Monitor the other fish on the dt. Some are more susceptible to certain disease than others. A few fish+2 gallons+8 hrs = ammonia.....no question about it. Add Prazi=death. I have a 25 empty set up ready to go just in case. this includes cheap hang on filter...power head...heater...and filter floss in sump. Cost total was 50 bucks.

 

[Khemul]

It's hard to say for sure. If Prazi does respond to ammonia like the others stated then it'd make sense, especially since they responded to the second dose. I'd think cooking the water would have killed them whenever they finally gave out, not when you poured something in the bucket. Same with ammonia, it would have killed them whenever the stress overtook them. Maybe they were mostly dead and the second dose pushed them to fight a little more. Hard to say for sure really.

The description sounds like velvet, but the spread and the speed of it sounds more like ich then velvet. Either way, assume the other fish have it. But if it is ich they can live with it, as long as they are healthy.

 

[sweeper7]

I heard velvet kills faster tahn ichalmost 24 hour window or so.

Here are some pictures of hte fish when dead, the tang looks the worst and the Angel looks like its eyes are full of cloud?

Sorry for hte blurry pic, it smelled like complete crap i couuldn't tak the smell.

The grey is the blurry/cloudy looking part.

This guy looks bad..