Deep Sand bed ?

Seehag

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I received the package from Tbs, I was under the impression that it was going to be a deep sand bed, but what it work's out to be is about 1-2". I asked Richard about this and he recommended 1.25" across bottom for the stirrer's to work correctly. I don't believe that will be enough sand to make use of the benefits of a deep sand bed, and now I am trying to decide wether to order more sand from Tbs. I have been told that if I go down and get aragonite that it will just fall through the more coarse sand that comes from tbs. The tbs look's good so it is not a matter of look's for me just the benefits of the deep sand bed.


Art
 
My understanding is you need atleast 4" to get a oxygen free zone to develope benificial bateria that will help break down Nitrites ( I think ) I am thinking maybe with the tbs package your not going for that as it might be in the rock? Also several reefers go with bare bottom.

Art
 
Don't just dump new sand on top. You'll kill a lot of the stuff in the current sand. You could add multiple very small layers of new sand on top over a period of weeks, but I think it would take quite a while to get the sand depth you want that way. Probably look butt ugly, too.

What about a remote DSB and keep the shallow sand bed in the tank?
 
I would keep the shallow bed in the tank and install a remote deep sand bed. That is exactly how i setup my systems. 1-2 inches of sand in the display tank and a remote deep sand bed bucket.
 
I just added the sand that is in there a week ago. The new sand is coming from Tbs so it should have all it need's in it already and I would think at this early stage it wouldn't hurt to just add to the top. I am thinking of ordering another 50# that should bring the depth up to around 3" over all. I could always run a deep sand bed in the fuge. It is 12x12 would that be enough?

Art
 
Whether the sand bed is going to host bacteria which converts nitrates into nitrogen gas is dependant on having an area that is anoxic (oxygen depleted). This is a function that is dependant on particle size, very small particulate sand such as sugar fine aragonite sand can become anoxic in much shallower depths, as little as an inch or two.

Larger particle size sand, such as the sand from TBS will require more depth of sand to acquire this. The functionality of the sand in the tbs package is not really targeting this need, what it does is provides a very diverse microfauna population which will turn over and clean the sand continually.

Despite the shallowness of the sand bed, this set up will still be effective for you, the sand will convert nitrites to nitrates, and then deep within the rock itself (TBS rock is quite porous) there will be anoxic areas which will finish the task of converting waste to nitrogen gas.

I set up with a TBS package initially (6.5 years ago?). It worked great for a long time, however eventually the sand bed did start to become ineffective as the diversity of critters living in became locally extinct and slowly died off. Eventually I pulled it and replaced it with a few inches of very fine aragonite, which is what i still use.

Whether or not to add more sand is up to you, and what you want aesthetically for the tank, fine sand will mix with the larger particles, but this is not necessarily a bad thing, I did it with mine as well. Keep the sand bed healthy and occasionally recharge the microfauna through sand trades, recharge kits, or attaining a stray handful of sand here and there from the LFS and you will be in good shape for several years with it.

disclaimer: if i were to do it ove again from the start I would only want a few handfulls of their sand for the microfauna, and would go with an inch or 2 of fine aragonite sand (I do have an advantage though, TBS is just a couple of miles down the road).
 
So marduc, what I gather out of your post is that adding a little more isn't going to hurt the process any, but will help me with the overall look. I was wanting the fine sand look but read so much about Tbs that I opted for them. I also figured I could change it later if I wanted to, but now that I have there sand I like the look of it, all the shell's and bit's and pieces. I am worried that adding more sand will cause a problem but I can't see how it would, if I added 100# or more it would make it too deep, so 50# is probably the way to go.

Art
 
yeah, adding more is not going to hurt things, There is no need to get more live sand, just get some regular sand (I recommend aragonite sand such as caribsea over silicate based play sand however) and add that to what you have.

The appearance of the sand will still be basically how it appears now, the larger particles tend to stay at the top.

The only real problem with the larger particle sized sand is that it more readily traps detritus, which is why it is even more important in this route to keep the little critters there in abundant population by occasional additions of LS from other sources (friends tanks ect.)
 
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