EZ fish removal-tranquilization

hk855

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A few months ago I bought a 2" huma huma trigger for my 40g, knowing I would one day need to get rid of him. After an upgrade to a 180 and the introduction of new fish and corals this little fella was an annoying little nusiance claiming most of the tank to himself. I decided it was time to remove him once he ate a $15 zoa polyp and he began rearanging my frags. It quickly was apparent that he would not be netted and a fish trap would take a week till he was comfortable enough with it to get caught. Tearing apart my new tank to catch this little pest was not an option to me.

In one of my classes we have been talking about reef fish population dynamics and the various studies that have been done on them, usualy involving capture of live fishes via tranquilization. As an alternative to ms-222 the common fish tranquilizer the use of clove oil has been used widely in collection and has no long term effect. It also has the benefit of costing $7 and is available at most helthfood stores in the aromatherapy section. Ms-222 costs about $25 online for 5g and I didnt even bother trying to find it localy.

To remove the fish without overdosing the tank and rendering all my fish unconsious or possibly killing them I did a quick search online and found that a dose of .05ml of oil per liter would knock the fish out in about 30 seconds and higher dosages wouldn't speed the process up. Clearly overdosing is a potential problem but localizing the treatment would allow dilution to the rest of my tank with minimal effects. I added 1ml of clove oil to 50ml of saltwater in a small bottle and shook it for a minute to achieve as close to an emmulsion as possible. Truned off all flow in the tank to have minimal water movement then took my feeding baster and sucked up about 10ml of this solution. The fish quickly retreated to his hiding hole when I put my hand in the tank, and I slowly basted the hole with the solution over about a minute. Quickly moving the rock to find him imobile stuck in a crack I carefully pulled him out by hand and placed him in a container of tank water. He poped back to life before I even replaced the rocks and looked ****ed off for being removed from his tank.

Obvious benefits are relatively ez removal of a pesky fish without tearing apart your tank. Also you're not adding some weird chemical but an all natural product. This technique probably wouldnt work in smaller tanks because of small water volumes but could if a decent water change was done immideately after if ill effects were seen. I haven't seen any adverse effects from the .2ml of oil I added to my tank but would be cautios adding more than a ml or two, I expect the skimmer has already pulled it out. The negative to this technique is your arm, tank, room and anything else in contact smells like cloves. I wonder how this would work in a tank break down or move, reducing stress on the fish and making it much easier to catch them. Good luck to anyone else trying to catch a fish.
 
This is very interesting. Just because it is "all natural" doesn't make it safe... copper's pretty natural...

However, your experience seems to indicate it could/would be ok to use and sounds like a pretty easy solution to the problem.
 
I would love to see this in action. I spend hours trying to get my wrasse out of my pod infested sump.
 
I've used clove oil on koi before to be able to treat wounds. It works very well, but do you know how coral react to it?
 
very interesting idea. I currently am fighting ich in my 90g and can't find an easy way to remove the fish due to all the caves in my live rock. I'd love to move them to my empty 29g to quarantine. So do you think that adding enough to anesthetize the whole tank would work if I did a 50% or so water change afterward?
 
My corals didnt react at all that I know, they look the same. The tank is a little new, 2 months, and I do have some nitrates and phosphates but only a little cyano. I did only dose maybe .2ml in probably a 175g net as I was focusing it into a fairly small hole and no circulation. I suspect I could have used .1 If I knew what I was doing. I am running about 300ml carbon and it was a week old at the time. Didnt do a water change untill today. I dont remember the specifics of the article but there was a lighter dose they used, from .01 to .025ml a liter and that took a minute to knock them out.

Im not sure of the effects on a whole tank I would hope that doing a lighter dosage like the .01ml a liter and a good water change would be ok. I would expect it to atleast slow them down... Perhaps getting them to agregate around the mix by adding some cyclopez would allow for a localized high dosage area? It could reduce the dose by a lot. Also It did not actualy disolved, just a mix of oil and water that would seperate, the oil literaly floated out of the hole to the surface while I was doing this. I would expect it to be easily skimmed out or caught by a filter sock real quick and exported. How much of your tank water can you store? Partialy draining the tank treating it, water change, then replace the stored water would help. Could be worth the price of a 55g drum.

I scanned the other thread and there was some talk on overdose of smaller fishes. Because its absorbed through the gills I would expect its transfer simmilar to oxygen and CO2, being the same concentration in the blood stream and tank regardless of size, not 100% sure though. They said adverse effects to coral but didnt mention what.
 
Might have to try this, I have an Ornate (reef safe) wrasse that has ripped a Kenya tree in half, broke a piece off a turquoise frogspawn, and nipped at an anemone, that's just what I have seen!
 
I better quit smoking cloves around my tank :eek2: Hey Nor Cal Guy it's good to see a fellow Coastie on here, are you still in? I was on Edisto WPB 1313 in Crescent City and later Sta. Humboldt Bay back in the late '80s early '90s.
 
I did feel a little light headed for a few hours after. It seems to have some effect and is used as a topical anestetic for tooth aches scratches and the such. I was out trading the little bugger in to a store and then ran to home depot and hadn't eaten for a while so it could have been low blood sugar but who knows?

I dont know if the feeding thing would work, it could be a lot easier to OD them. Also who knows if they will eat something that strongly flavored.
 
Clove oil has been commonly used for puffers when you need to trim their teeth, usually on FW puffs that don't get enough proper foods to wear the teeth down properly.

I just never considered it for SW due to many more dynamics within the tanks.
 
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