Fish unhappy with tank upgrade?

[tsiklauss]

Recently I purchased a 92g corner. I purchased 3 chromis to help cycle quicker. The chromis seem very happy eating well and acting very normal. A few weeks later I added a a coral beauty angel who has been a very finiky eater since i added it (about 2 weeks). I have tryed brine shrimp, spectra pellets, mysis and he didnt seem interested. A few days later I transfered in my pair of clowns and now they have stopped eating and they were little fatties! The angel has now been in about 10 days and the clowns a week and neither are eating well. I have tryed soaking in garlic and that seems to turn them off more. The chromis are still eating fine, but any clue on how to get the rest of the bunch eating? I will do a water test tomorrow to give exact specs on my levels.

 

[tsiklauss]

No body?

 

[snorvich]

We need water parameters and SG (as well as how it was measured)

 

[flameangel88]

First thought came to mind was possibility of introducing flukes/parasites from the new additions. I wouldn't add anymore fish in till you're certain that possibility is addressed.

 

[lilalove]

Centropyge angels are better left to stable, mature tanks with some microalgae growth. Coral beauties can either be hit or miss, as well. I'm guessing your cycle probably isn't complete yet, but can't know for sure unless you post specific parameters.

 

[MrTuskfish]

Centropyge angels are better left to stable, mature tanks with some microalgae growth. Coral beauties can either be hit or miss, as well. I'm guessing your cycle probably isn't complete yet, but can't know for sure unless you post specific parameters.

I agree. It me a long time to figure out that plenty of MATURE LR is key to keeping Centropyge angels. If they aren't picking at the rock, they aren't going to eat anything. Clowns not eating is not a good sign. As others have said, you may have a water problem.

 

[tsiklauss]

We need water parameters and SG (as well as how it was measured)

Sorry for the delay, but here they are:
Nitrate: 0
Nitrite: 0
Ammonia: .25
PH: 8.2
Calc: 400
Temp 77.5 (i did test as soon as the lights came on)
SG: 1.025 with hydrometer. I had it measured against a refractometer about 3 weeks ago @ the LFS.

First thought came to mind was possibility of introducing flukes/parasites from the new additions. I wouldn't add anymore fish in till you're certain that possibility is addressed.

I was concerned about ich because the angel did have a few white very small spots, but they have since dismembered.

Centropyge angels are better left to stable, mature tanks with some microalgae growth. Coral beauties can either be hit or miss, as well. I'm guessing your cycle probably isn't complete yet, but can't know for sure unless you post specific parameters.

I transferred over 50lbs of live rock from my biocube which helped with speeding up the cycle and hopefully introducing more micro algae to the other rock.

I agree. It me a long time to figure out that plenty of MATURE LR is key to keeping Centropyge angels. If they aren't picking at the rock, they aren't going to eat anything. Clowns not eating is not a good sign. As others have said, you may have a water problem.

I have come to think it may have just been stress from the move, but I really appreciate yours and every one's help!
If any one see's any underlying issues with my water or how I have things set up please let me know. I am still a noob and will take all the advice I can get! :lolspin:

 

[tsiklauss]

We need water parameters and SG (as well as how it was measured)

Sorry for the delay, but here they are:
Nitrate: 0
Nitrite: 0
Ammonia: .25
PH: 8.2
Calc: 400
Temp 77.5 (i did test as soon as the lights came on)
SG: 1.025 with hydrometer. I had it measured against a refractometer about 3 weeks ago @ the LFS.

First thought came to mind was possibility of introducing flukes/parasites from the new additions. I wouldn't add anymore fish in till you're certain that possibility is addressed.

I was concerned about ich because the angel did have a few white very small spots, but they have since dismembered.

Centropyge angels are better left to stable, mature tanks with some microalgae growth. Coral beauties can either be hit or miss, as well. I'm guessing your cycle probably isn't complete yet, but can't know for sure unless you post specific parameters.

I transferred over 50lbs of live rock from my biocube which helped with speeding up the cycle and hopefully introducing more micro algae to the other rock.

I agree. It me a long time to figure out that plenty of MATURE LR is key to keeping Centropyge angels. If they aren't picking at the rock, they aren't going to eat anything. Clowns not eating is not a good sign. As others have said, you may have a water problem.

I have come to think it may have just been stress from the move, but I really appreciate yours and every one's help!
If any one see's any underlying issues with my water or how I have things set up please let me know. I am still a noob and will take all the advice I can get! :lolspin:

 

[fullspeed]

One thing i see is your ammonia. It should be zero. (this may be some of your problem)

 

[snorvich]

One thing i see is your ammonia. It should be zero. (this may be some of your problem)

Yes. I agree. But if you are going to be in this long term, get a refractometer and calibrate it with pinpoint solution.

 

[nikon187]

ammonia would indicate the tank is still cycling.

 

[MrTuskfish]

ammonia would indicate the tank is still cycling.

Yeah; and no nitrite or nitrate would suggest you are just starting to cycle. I'm afraid you may have serious problems ahead.

 

[tsiklauss]

hmmm thats concerning. I had every thing zero'd out what would cause it to begin another cycle? The tank has been set up for over a month now.

 

[CorkPullerPHL]

A month is still a very short period. It will take several more months for your biological filter to catch up to your bio-load. I'd the centropyge and clowns out and wait a while (months) for things to stabilize. Then add fish back slowly....like one every 3-4 weeks.

 

[sedor]

Any sign of ammonia is a clear sign that your tank is really just starting the cycling phase. Your moving a little quick, and the result of that is generally failure unfortunately. The best you can do now is just wait it out and hope for the best. Please slow down though or your in for a heap of frustration. I wouldn't add another fish until a couple weeks after your cycle is complete.

If you can remove the angel that would be best. IMO they are somewhat sensitive and likely won't make it.

 

[MrTuskfish]

hmmm thats concerning. I had every thing zero'd out what would cause it to begin another cycle? The tank has been set up for over a month now.

Did you EVER see any nitrite or nitrate? Can you tell us what you're using as a bio-filter base; LR, filtration, etc. I'd also be sure your test kits aren't old; verify results at your LFS. Something just doesn't sound right

 

[tsiklauss]

I started the tank with all cured rock and rock from my exsisting system would it still take this long to cycle? I even took a water sample to my LFS before adding any fish and they said I was good to go. I didn't ever notice any nitrates or nitrites, but I made the mistake of not testing regularly. Are there any other options other then taking all fish out? I want what is best for my fish and for them to survive, but I would really hate to take them back to the LFS.
Thank you again for all advice and help!

 

[flameangel88]

I started the tank with all cured rock and rock from my exsisting system would it still take this long to cycle? I even took a water sample to my LFS before adding any fish and they said I was good to go. I didn't ever notice any nitrates or nitrites, but I made the mistake of not testing regularly. Are there any other options other then taking all fish out? I want what is best for my fish and for them to survive, but I would really hate to take them back to the LFS.
Thank you again for all advice and help!

Is your new tank bare bottom or you added sand? The reason I ask is because moving rocks to new tank may not cause a cycle but moving sand may. In the early part of my tank upgrade where I added 4-5 fishes at a time I added established rocks (usually 30-50lbs depending on how much I can get my hands on then slowly remove some over time) to accommodate the added bioload without any problem. Not saying this is a good practice but it's a quick way to add fishes. The only time I'd a tank crash was from a move where I stirred up the bottom otherwise the tank was too heavy to move. Lesson learned here was never use old sand just get new batch and let it cycle.

 

[sanchoy]

uncycled.. is my estimate..

 

[tsiklauss]

I tested my water yesterday morning and every thing looked great so I took a sample to my LFS for them to test too and they said every thing looked great other then I showed a VERY small amount of phosphates. The only thing I can think of is a faulty test.