Flame Angel Popeye?
- Thread starter freshsalt
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Hard to tell if it has Popeye. If it does, I would treat with Maracyn and Maracyn 2 (see links below):
http://www.fosterandsmithaquatics.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=4838
http://www.fosterandsmithaquatics.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c=3578+4615+4629+4842&pcatid=4842
Make sure you get the ones for Saltwater. If needed, you can also use Copper and PraziPro with Maracyn 1 & 2. Please note Maracyn 1 & 2 is *NOT REEF SAFE*. You'll have to catch the fish and use a QT. Also, Maracyn will turn your water a yellowish color so don't be alarmed by that. Use carbon to remove the medication when you're done, and I also recommend water changes after you're done treating.
http://www.fosterandsmithaquatics.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=4838
http://www.fosterandsmithaquatics.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c=3578+4615+4629+4842&pcatid=4842
Make sure you get the ones for Saltwater. If needed, you can also use Copper and PraziPro with Maracyn 1 & 2. Please note Maracyn 1 & 2 is *NOT REEF SAFE*. You'll have to catch the fish and use a QT. Also, Maracyn will turn your water a yellowish color so don't be alarmed by that. Use carbon to remove the medication when you're done, and I also recommend water changes after you're done treating.
smoyer
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Read the directions for those treatments, if the eye isnt clouded over its not popeye and popeye normally affects both eyes. Single eye swelling with the eye remaining clear is usually a result of a trauma to that eye. The cure is to reduce the swelling in the eye and let it heal naturally. Maracyn and others wont do anything for this fish except to prevent a secondary infection. In this case the treatment would be worse than injury, once you add the stress of catching the fish and removing it from its habitat.
Popeye is actually more of a condition than an actual disease. It can be caused by an injury, as you suggested, or worst-case scenario, an infectious disease. I subscribe to Murphy's Law, so I would remove the fish, QT and medicate. If nothing else, the Maracyns will help prevent a secondary infection, as you yourself pointed out.
Here's an article that explains more and advocates not removing the fish from the aquarium. To each his own...
http://saltaquarium.about.com/cs/compldiagnodisease/a/aa053001.htm
smoyer
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a swollen eye and popeye are really two different things. One eye swollen with a clear eye doesn't require those medications it is just an injury. A simple espom salt treatment in a display tank will do the job(this is assuming this is an already established fish).
The eye condition called popeye effects both eyes and clouds the eye's lens and does merit the treatment your recommendation. However Freshsalt's flame angle has an injury to it's eye and if the fish is eating and going about his normal busy. It is better for the fish to leave him be in the tank he is established in and treat him for the swelling only. Don't get me wrong I am all about QT tanks for new fish but I am not too quick remove established fish.
The eye condition called popeye effects both eyes and clouds the eye's lens and does merit the treatment your recommendation. However Freshsalt's flame angle has an injury to it's eye and if the fish is eating and going about his normal busy. It is better for the fish to leave him be in the tank he is established in and treat him for the swelling only. Don't get me wrong I am all about QT tanks for new fish but I am not too quick remove established fish.
smoyer
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Start with epsom salt at rate of 1 tablespoon per 10 gallon, leave in the tank for 3 to 5 days while continuing normal filtration. After the 3 or 5 day do a 20% water change. You can repeat as need but I would wait at least a week between treatments. You can also increase the dose and use other medications but I never needed to, the first rate was enough.
I have done this treatment to an Emperor angel in a sps reef tank with no problems at all to corals and inverts. I saw reduced swelling each day until the 4th day when you could barely tell the fish ever had an injury. Results may very I'm just sharing my experience. FYI: I did a follow up treatment the second week but I thing this was probably not needed.
Small container of epsom salt is less then 2$ the big one is less than 5$
My fish also has an eye infection and I thought it was pop eye but its only one eye that's cloudy and swollen. It kind of looks like it might fall out. Reading this post it mentioned pop eye affects both eyes so I figured it isn't that. The fish has brown discoloration around the infected eye as well. Would epsom salts work on this fish because I can't order meds offline due to the long shipping time.
smoyer
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i dont know for sure but it couldnt hurt. Espom salt will reduce the swelling and will help heal the wound. Is the fish eating and acting normal? I would use it then let us know what the eye looks like in 4 days.
smoyer
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Epsom salt (magnesium sulfate) is a fundamental and necessary component of sea salt but has numerous benefits to life at large. In the aquarium, this very property helps stressed and struggling creatures maintain better osmotic balance. Thus, a fish with a bumped and swollen eye can get relief (fluid from swollen eye) from Epsom salt. It is added to most dry fish foods to prevent internal blockage from greedy feeding fishes. It also is used in fresh or salt water to raise hardness and electrolyte levels. Dosed in moderation, there are few disadvantages to it. Most doses are 1 tsp to 1 TBSPN per 10 gallons and can be repeated
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Thanks for your help, but the fish died later that day after I wrote the message. It only lived 2 days once it got the popeye thing. The first day when the eye became all puffed up, it was swimming around and eating just fine and the next day when I woke up it was barely swimming and losing its balance, but the funny thing was, that it's eye wasn't "popped" or cloudy looking anymore. And a few minutes later it died. It sucks, I had that fish for over 2 years things like this **** me off because there is nothing you can order medication wise and have it at your house in that short amount of time to heal your fish really quickly.
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