FredTheCat's 24 Gallon AquaPod

FredTheCat

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<B>The Story So Far</B>

OK so, I'm new here so I figure I better introduce myself. The name is FredTheCat and in the real world I'm an animator. My home office is where I spend the vast majority of my time because, frankly, I have no life and there's always work to be done.

Anyway, way back in high school (longer ago than I care to admit) I had a brief affair with a freshwater tank but the lure of fancy saltwater fish got me and I ran a minor saltwater tank for a while. Nothing too in-depth and it didn't really get my full attention thanks to puberty ( :D ) but it was doing alright.

Cut to now and I have a pair of daughters the age I was when I ran my tanks. A year or two ago I gave one of them an Eclipse 6 gallon tank which she fiddled with for a while but never really got off the ground. Eventually the empty tank ended up stuffed in the shed for a number of months.

One day a few months ago I decided since I'm sitting here at the computer pretty much every minute of every day, it might be fun to set up a small tank right next to me which I could putz with during the frequent waiting periods I have while the computers perform my bidding. At last I would be able to give the thing enough attention to make it worth doing.

I dug the Eclipse 6 out of the shed and spent many hours reading this and other fine fish-oriented websites until I felt I had a pretty good understanding of what I was getting myself into. Started the tank with a nice live rock (covered in red coralline algae), live sand, and seawater from my LFS. Once I started seeing some nusiance algae I added 3 cerith snails and 3 nassirus snails (we call 'em Snorkles around Casa d' Cat) and just enjoyed watching them for a few days...who'da thunk snails could be so darn interesting?

Soon I was ready to add some more life to the tank and picked up a nice pair of blue/green chromis. I'm really fond of the chromis, they look great and have very entertaining personalities. One of them was breathing heavy when he arrived and I was concerned, rightly so as it turns out, he died a couple days later leaving me with just the one chromis and the snails. The remaining chromis and the snails were all thriving so I suspect I just got a defective fish.

I found another nice chunk of live rock at my LFS that had some life on it and added it to the mix. The rock contained about 4 smallish mushrooms, a couple of small sponge balls, and what I would soon identify as an aptasia. It seemed like a great way to "test the waters" (so to speak) with some of the other aquatic lifeforms without shelling out a bunch of cash.

As for the aptasia, I was aware that these were considered pests and read many threads discussing their removal, but as far as I was concerned it was just one more cool thing to watch in the tank. It wasn't hurting anything and it was just one, after all, so I left him intact to see what he would do. I'll get back to him later.

The mushrooms began to multiply so now I've got 6 small shrooms and a couple more just starting. The orignal rock started growing quite a bit of linty-looking algae and the snails seem to prefer the tank sides and the sand so I endeavored to get something else fun that would take care of that for me. I really wanted a crab and the Sally Lightfoot seemed to fit both needs at once.

The Sally voraciously ate away the problem algae in the first couple days and only took a swipe at the chromis on occasion (though I swear the chromis was intentionally taunting him!).
Where I ran into trouble was with the cerith snails. The Sally took great joy in snatching up a cerith, flipping it upside down and digging away at the inside of the shell. He didn't seem to be able to reach the snail itself, withdrawn in the shell, but he'd just leave the poor ceriths upside down and scamper away! Being almost perfectly round, they couldn't flip themselves back over so I spent a couple days on snail life-saving duty. :rolleyes: I have no idea how these things survive in the wild! My LFS said I could trade the Sally back in for something else but he was pretty entertaining anyway so I decided to watch him for a while.

We were due to take off for a week-long vacation and I had a good friend (who is getting slowly but surely lured into this hobby) that was going to drop by and take care of the tank while we were away. The morning we're getting ready to leave, the crab just up and died. Water all tested out fine and everything else in the tank seemed perfectly happy so I gave the poor Sally a hasty funeral and away we went.

When we got back a week later the tank had been well-tended and everything was good but I wanted to get a replacement critter to take care of any ongoing linty algae problem. My tank runs unavoidably warm in my office, sometimes reaching close to 90. My LFS guessed that the water was just too warm for the crab and I'd essentially cooked him :( They thought I might have better luck with a Lawnmower Blenny in my circumstances so I picked one up (We call him Muppet. If you have one you'll understand.) Anyway, he fit right in and handled his duties admirably. This dastardly hobby had me, I needed more.

I recently finished up a large animation project and decided to celebrate by splurging on a bigger tank. I spent a couple days going back through all the forums reading up on reef cubes because I really wanted to get into some of the more exotic livestock. I settled on a 24 gallon AquaPod.

Into that I put another bag of live sand (CaribSea if you care) and 15 gallons of seawater from my LFS. They also suggested I use a 3.38 oz. bottle of Instant Ocean BIO-Spira bacteria to get it going so I dropped that in. I also seeded the tank with some of the water and some of the sand from my original tank and let it cycle. This period is extremely short when using live sand and real ocean water and I was soon able to move the whole lot into the new cube and topped off the tank. The chromis and the blenny clearly enjoy their new larger home. The mushrooms seem to be a bit flacid so far but I suspect they'll come around once they get used to the environ.

The single aptasia continues to do fine and causes nothing any harm but since I do want to get into the zoas and corals and based on the relentless insistance of folks saying they must be eliminated I decided to add a peppermint shrimp to the family. He's been in there a couple days now and shows no interest whatsoever in the aptasia . :rolleyes: I'm giving it some time, maybe it just has to work up the guts to attack.

Since my two live rocks seemed sorta lonely in there I picked up a couple more nice ones. No fun extras on these but they have great little caves, with one of the stones essentially hollow, a fact my blenny just loves.

So that pretty much brings us to today. I've kept the old tank alive with sand and snails and will be starting it fresh for my wife. She's the sort that'll put a sunken pirate ship in there, so we'll see what happens there :rolleyes:

I went across town to check out what was purported to be a pretty large semiLFS and indeed it was. They had a huge variety of marine fish, many I've never seen at my normal LFS. While browsing I discovered a tank that had three TINY baby chromis and I just couldn't resist. They follow my larger (but still small) original chromis all over the tank. It's obnoxiously cute!

So to sum it all up (geez, what a stupidly long post, eh?) what I'm working with is:

Main Tank - AquaPod 24, stock everything, a small no-name powerhead that (in conjuntion with the built-in pump) gives me a moderately good but not great amount of movement in the water column. 20 lbs of CaribSea live sand, 4 live rocks (about 3-4 lbs each), 15 gallons of LFS seawater, 4 cerith snails, one large and one small nassirus snail (plus a small army of incredibly absurdly tiny baby nassiruses discovered during the tank transfer(!), one lawnmower blenny, one average size chromis and three babies, one peppermint shrimp, a few mushrooms, a tiny sponge or two, and one as-yet-uneaten aptasia.

"Wife's tank" - Eclipse 6, stock everything, about 8-10 lbs. CaribSea live sand, 4-5ish gallons of LFS seawater, a cerith and a nassirus I left in there to keep the idle tank clean and likely a number of the nassirus babies I didn't manage to transfer.

In the future I intend to add quite a bit more live rock to form an attractive display for some zoas and/or other corals in the Main Tank, as well as build up the wife's tank essentially from a bare slate. I look forward to hearing the input from all you folks along the way. I've spelled out the details of my setup because I know reading that sort of thing was a big help to me in getting started and I hope others might benefit from my experience to this point. I don't have pictures of the setup yet but I'll try to get around to that soon.

Regards and apologies for the long first post!

-FredTheCat
 
Oh yeah, some questions

Oh yeah, some questions

All of that and I didn't even ask the questions I've been hoping to find answers to!

1) Should the return water jets be "waterfalling" into the tank (which creates small air bubbles and I suspect is oxygenating the water nicely), or is the idea to have them just disrupting the surface of the water?

2) Do you folks have a problem with ceriths being overturned? Do they eventually manage to right themselves? I notice my LFS snail tank has a large number of overturned ceriths and they don't seem too concerned about it.

3) Is there anything I can do to encourage the peppermint shrimp to start on the aptasia or is it just a matter of time?

4) I understand that the aptasia would probably sting me if I accidently brushed it but what of the mushrooms? Do they sting somehow?

5) I see many posts that mention vaccuming the sand but my cleanup crew seems to be doing a bang-up job on keeping the sand clean. Do I still need to manually vacuum or can I just rely on the crew?

I'm sure I have others but those should start me off! :)

Thanks in advance,

FredTheCat
 
1) I'd have them under the water line, you can point them to disturb the water surface if desired, but make sure there's a siphon break in the setup so you don't drain any water.

2) my ceriths seem to make there way no problem, but I have a bare-bottom tank... no sand or anything. I don't know if that plays a part.

3) I think there are 2 species of shrimp that go by the common name peppermint... and one doesnt touch aptasia. My memory here is weak, so look into it a little. I've never had a problem with gulf caught peps not eating aptasia.

4) no, I dont think it would sting you. I've touched them without incident. a mushroom is probably safe, too, but some corals will get disturbed by their presence/touch.

5) You don't want to disturb a sandbed if you can help it. How deep is the sand?
 
Thanks for the response, crvz!

As to the peppermint shrimp, I had read before getting it that "the ones from the keys are the reliable aptasia eaters" so I know you're right about that. My LFS >assured me< that this particular guy is the right one and would eventually do the job so I guess I just wait and see.

The sand bed I had in my starter tank was about 2-3" but in the 24 here I've got about 1.5-2".

Another question occured to me for anybody who cares to answer...my daughter saw small pom-pom crabs at the semiLFS today and thinks I should get one. I'm open to the idea but not sure if it'd peacefully cohabitate with my existing critters, future plans and/or if it would tolerate a warm tank better than the Sally did. Any guidance?

-FredTheCat
 
Shrimp War!

Shrimp War!

My peppermint shrimp just finally declared war on the lone aptasia while I happened to be watching. From the looks of things the aptasia is definately on the losing end of this battle.

Walked my wife through the first water tests on my former tank (the Eclipse 6) and the water was still in pretty good shape. She's browsing the online fish stores to get an idea of the possibilities before we head over to our LFS for a new live rock for that tank and to let her see his stock.

I'm still incredibly stoked by my new baby chromises...they're loads of fun to watch!

-FredTheCat
 
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Thanks for the welcome, Chris!

My wife and I went to the LFS today and she picked out a smallish rock to get the old system back into a cycle while she decides what all to put in there.

I also picked up another nice rock for my AquaPod and my very first daisy polyps on a small rock. This particular variant actually does look just like a small daisy,with a bright green center and pale "leaves" and stood out among the other critters in my LFS's tanks. There's about 6-8 of them on this rock and I look forward to seeing them spread throughout the tank. Many of them came out shortly after being placed in the tank while the day lights were on but have now all withdrawn under the night lighting.

As a cool little bonus I discovered probably 5-6 tiny white brittlestars hiding in the porous rock. Mostly I just see the tentacles poking out of the holes but I did manage to see one slinking across the rock, about the size of a fingernail. There are also a number of very small white feather-dusters.

The one concern I have is that the lawnmower blenny seems to enjoy sitting atop this rock and more or less ON the polyps. He doesn't seem to have tried to eat them but is this something I should worry about?

I also bought a pair of those arm-length gloves because...well... I'm a wimp :) They sure do make handling the rocks a more pleasant experience!

I'll see if I can't get some pictures tomorrow so perhaps this thread will be more interesting :)

Best to all,
FredTheCat
 
Your way with words makes this thread interesting. I suspect you could write on any subject and it would be fascinating. I have a 28 gal aquapod with MH lighting and am also slowly feeling my way along with stocking it. Please keep up the tread and POST THOSE PHOTOS! I am breathless with anticipation. Judy
 
awesome words..... but you've heard it a thousand times before, a picture is worth a thousan words.

keep up the good work.
READ READ READ.
did you really let your tanks cycle? it seems like you are just kinda throwing fish in willy-nilly. i suspect that's why the chromis died.

no need to vacuum... that's the CUC's job.

ps. ain't this hobby great????
 
Thanks for the kind words on my words, both of you!

The tanks certainly were duly cycled, my test journal examined by my LFS >and< had them perform a test on my water sample to verify MY results and they agreed it was ready. As I mentioned, I had been running it successfully with snails for a few weeks and only the one (of the two) chromis had a problem and he was breathing heavy when he arrived. Has nobody else ever purchased a fish from a group tank that simply wasn't well to begin with?

As to throwing things in "willy-nilly", I actually have built up the tank gradually element by element specifically to see what the impact of each thing was before adding the next and extensively investigating them before (and after) purchase. My choices are far from random. Perhaps you mistook my accelerated narrative as summing up a week or two of time. In reality it has spanned months. :)

Anyway, hope to have some pictures up later today of the progress so far.

-FredTheCat
 
i stand corrected..... you know what you are doing.

you're right, the single post summarized months of time... it seemed like only days or weeks to me.

keep up the excellent work!
 
Very interesting reading about your tanks FredTheCat. I don't have anything to contribute but just wanted to say keep us updated, you have a great writing style!
 
Hi FredTheCat, I also just wanted to say I enjoy reading the account of your tank/s. Sometimes plowing through a lengthy post can get a bit boring but I agree with the previous posters that you write well! Are you a writer as well as animator and what do you animate? Is your work "out there" anywhere for us to see? Will your fishtanks inspire some new marine-themed animated characters? Looking forward to seeing you tank.
 
The First Pictures!

The First Pictures!

nmbeg: I wouldn't go so far as to say I "know what I'm doing", but I am trying to do things correctly!

Eagles & otrlynn: aw shucks! :o Thanks!

To answer the questions, I'm a 3D animator and have been for almost 22 years. I started back in the day when we had to draw 3D objects out on graph paper and type in the coordinates by hand! Thankfully, things have come a long way since but I'm sortof an old fogey in the biz at this point. I've worked on a number of commercials you've probably never seen, a number of children's tv shows you've probably never seen, a few low budget movies I don't think ANYBODY has ever seen... ( :p ) I do a lot of top-level corporate stuff for a well-known financial institution and the like. It's not glamorous but it beats digging ditches!

And I'm a writer of sorts...I wrote a monthly column for a few industry magazines for about 10 years teaching others how to do this 3D thang. I also (like every other showbiz-involved person) have a few scripts I've written and hope to one day turn into reality. I think it'd be hard to beat Pixar's work with Finding Nemo so no, the hobby is unlikely to inspire my stories.

Aaaanyway, how about some PICTURES!?! These are my first aquarium shots and I clearly need to work on the technique but will at least give an idea of what's going on over here.



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The tank sits just to the left of my primary workstation so I get to watch it almost constantly.<BR>

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Here's the full-frontal shot...you can just barely make out the mushrooms in the center cave and one of the wee sponges just outside it.<BR>

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Chromis and posse. They're very active and hard to get an unblurred shot of!<BR>

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These are just the coolest little daisy polyps ever...for now!<BR>

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Muppet the lawnmower blenny in one of his favorite caves.<BR>

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Tank from the side, shows the relationship of the above cave in the grand scheme.<BR>

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The dreaded aiptasia! He's a bit ragged thanks to the wholly unprovoked peppermint shrimp attack yesterday. I presume the shrimp will finish the job eventually.<BR>

The shrimp is hiding under the leftmost rock and refused to pose for pictures. I'll try to get him another time.

And, of course, immediately after taking these photos I had to perform another emergency snail-flip and my aquascape is slightly different now as a result. Stupid snails! :rolleyes:

Hope you enjoyed the pics, I'll try to get better ones as things progress.

-FredTheCat
 
I like the rockscape--simple but effective. Pretty good pics too. There is an RC photography forum you may be interested in. I need to spend some time there myself and learn how to take better tank shots.
 
Thanks otrlynn! It's still a work in progress...when I buy rocks one at a time I somehow can fool myself into thinking I'm not spending as much as I am. ;)

My objective really is to provide plenty of caves and outcroppings for later growth while not making it overly burdensome to rescue the stupid snails. Seriously, the rest of y'all don't have flipped snail issues, huh?

I'm also still hoping for some feedback on the idea of adding a pom-pom crab to the list. Anybody have experience with them, good or bad? Would they tolerate higher-than-norm tank temperatures?

On a side note, Muppet likes to sit in the corner of the tank closest to me and watch my every move. I suspect he intends to take my job one day...

-FredTheCat
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12987290#post12987290 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by FredTheCat
Thanks otrlynn! It's still a work in progress...when I buy rocks one at a time I somehow can fool myself into thinking I'm not spending as much as I am. ;)

LOL, that's how I buy corals. I think it is the same type of thinkng as the classic "Kathy" comic strip where she declares that the broken cookies have no calories! I am assuming you are buying fully cured rock??? If not, be careful because you may cause your tank to cycle a bit, which means ammonia will rise, which means your fish will be in trouble!
 
Yes, I get cured from my LFS's large rock tanks. Their tank levels are pretty much the same as mine (since I use their water) and with less than 5 minutes between the store and here I haven't seen much if any die-off at all on the rocks I've purchased. I'll certainly be more cautious about rock from "other" sources.

-FredTheCat
 
So, I've woken up to yet another overturned snail. It seems that the peppermint shrimp has replaced the late Sally as a snail molester since he's been near the scene of the crime more than once. :(

-FredTheCat
 
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