Get out and vote today!
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I'm wondering how long this thread will be around before it's sensored....
Yes Jon. Several.
All Politicians are holes. All.
I actually made it a point to go to vote on the two topic questions... it's just to bad Avery dosen't qualify. There should be a hanging in wisconsin. Leave em' swing to prove a point. Then re-run the same question for sex-offenders.
I'm not overly conservative am I?
J
Yes Jon. Several.
All Politicians are holes. All.
I actually made it a point to go to vote on the two topic questions... it's just to bad Avery dosen't qualify. There should be a hanging in wisconsin. Leave em' swing to prove a point. Then re-run the same question for sex-offenders.
I'm not overly conservative am I?
J
nellie54914
New member
I voted!! I'm just glad we won't have to watch the stupid ads or get any more ANNOYING phone calls 5 times a day! And I won't have to listen to my husband saying "Dr. Millionaire!" any time a picture of Kagen is on tv, lol!
So the smoking ban in Appleton stands again, after the 3rd referendum. And the bar owners are already saying they're going to petition for another (4th!!)referendum for next Nov. ballot if the council doesn't overturn the ban in May. Talk about beating a dead horse, maybe they should spend that money trying different ways to bring their business back instead of getting referendums on the ballot! C'mon, if they haven't changed people's minds after 3 referendums, do they really think a 4th is going to do the trick?
I think it's strange too that for the 2 statewide referendums I only ever saw anything about the marriage ban, and nothing about the death penalty until the night before the election, the news mentioned it in passing.
So the smoking ban in Appleton stands again, after the 3rd referendum. And the bar owners are already saying they're going to petition for another (4th!!)referendum for next Nov. ballot if the council doesn't overturn the ban in May. Talk about beating a dead horse, maybe they should spend that money trying different ways to bring their business back instead of getting referendums on the ballot! C'mon, if they haven't changed people's minds after 3 referendums, do they really think a 4th is going to do the trick?
I think it's strange too that for the 2 statewide referendums I only ever saw anything about the marriage ban, and nothing about the death penalty until the night before the election, the news mentioned it in passing.
yaitisme
In Memoriam
That's congratulation 'Dr. Know it all Millionaire who pranced into my last appointment over an hour and 15 mins late then spending more time talking about his upcoming run than diagnosing me'. Oh well, he wasn't responsible for raising my UW tuition 70% over the past couple of years!
BryanJ
New member
Too bad all these voters couldn't seperate the way they felt about the President from what is best for their states. The best part he is done in two years and they will have to live with their choices for an additional 2 years. Giving the democrats total control of all facets of government will make a democratic President a shoe in and then the unions will run amuck for the next four years and we will see even more companies go over seas to get away from the unions.
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yaitisme
In Memoriam
My bad, 54.9% since 1996. Most of the increases were in the past 5-6 years.
Maybe I was thinking about property, gas, car/truck/cycle/boat/atv registration, state income taxes, boat launch fees, or fishing/hunting fees. ;7)
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Maybe I was thinking about property, gas, car/truck/cycle/boat/atv registration, state income taxes, boat launch fees, or fishing/hunting fees. ;7)
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Bryan, I agree with you, but how would you expect everyone to make an educated decision when the voting ticket still contains that neat little line about voting a straight ticket. You should vote for people for what their trying to do, not by party. I didn't agree with every Rep. on the ticket. Not as many of the Dems either.
I'm with Nellie. I'm sick of hearing about it. I have a life to live. Maybe their should be a law that says politicians are put to death when they are voted out of office, then they'd behave, and do a great job, and if they didn't, they wouldn't be recycled and cause problems some where else.
Jason
I'm with Nellie. I'm sick of hearing about it. I have a life to live. Maybe their should be a law that says politicians are put to death when they are voted out of office, then they'd behave, and do a great job, and if they didn't, they wouldn't be recycled and cause problems some where else.
Jason
Get real folks. Do you really think it matters who was voted in? Take Kagen vs Gard. Kagen is without the slimiest individual I have ever had the misfortuine to meet and work with (Sat on several BOD s with me) and John Gards' ONLY redeeming quality is that he was running against Kagen. Talk about a choice between Dumb and Dumber - I actually voted the green candidtae inthat race.
Liberal or Conservative. Rep or Dem. Politicians for the most part are all cut from the same ilk. Power corrupts.
Sorry - No more soap box.
This forum is not for anarchist a-holes like myself for sounding off on. My bad.
jandlms
Liberal or Conservative. Rep or Dem. Politicians for the most part are all cut from the same ilk. Power corrupts.
Sorry - No more soap box.
This forum is not for anarchist a-holes like myself for sounding off on. My bad.
jandlms
RCS
In Memoriam
If they're smart, they band together, haul up and move to Grand Chute. Goodbye tax income for Appleton, goodbye business in Appleton, hello for Grand Chute!
Seriously, if every single bar downtown and in Appleton closed and moved, that would pretty much kill downtown business and then maybe their point could be made. It might come at their own expense a little bit, but if they've been smart busines owners up to this point, they should have enough money to get by on for a while, watching Appleton try and deal with the emigration of a core business group.
mako56
Premium Member
Well I should probably keep my post shut but I can't. I guess I would be a liberal I don't believe that the government should control everything in my life and I don't believe I have the right to control other peoples lives. Like everyone I don't like the higher fees and the higher taxes but how do you keep it all running if you don't. The only way that would be possible is if no one ever wanted a raise, if medical expenses didn't jump like they are and we find a more stable energy source. To me the dept this country is in right now is unbelievable how are we going to pull out of this I don't know. The poor don't make enough to even live on, the middle class which I think carries most of the burden now is getting smaller as a group, the rich say that if they pay more they will just move to a different country and do there business there. Something has to change soon before it all goes down the drain. I would like to see everyone who lives in this country to pay into social security and collect off of it when you retire, tax all the goods coming into this country so that there price matches the stuff we make here, put all the campaign moneys into one big pile and divide it evenly between the people that run for office but most of all find a way to pay off this trillions of dollars of dept. And unless I am doing something that is hurting another person leave me ALONE. I will shut up now and go back into my little cocoon. Just my opinion.
RCS
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Mike, I think you hit the nail on the head. The problem is everyone wants more, more and bigger, bigger without contemplating the consequences.
Raising taxes isn't the way to accomplish anything (never has been, unless you're trying to inspire revolt and mutiny). Raising taxes doesn't hurt the upper class people, and taxes are rarely raised on the lower income brackets. Tax increases hurt the middle...which in turn hurts everyone else. Raising taxes takes away my spending money, which takes away income for people working at places where I would spend that money. Sales go down, profits go down, jobs get cut. It's pretty straightforward, but until it happens to "you", nobody pays it much mind. Spending is what fuels our economy...pay the middle class more and they spend more. Sales increase, profits increase, and jobs are created.
Raising taxes to "help the poor" or to increase funding to social programs is a nice thought, but keep in mind that people at the lower end of the middle-income range are now dropping in income and the consequential loss of jobs mentioned above adds more people to the welfare pool. Sure, spending may be up, but so are the people using that spending. Double-edged sword, and it's not the way to win.
Raising taxes also hurts business, both small and large. Small business is how you really have the opportunity to "make it" in this country. Big business creates a lot of jobs. Look at WI's business climate, and how many people are losing their jobs because of companies moving to greener pastures.
Better than pooling the campaign money and spreading it evenly, how about giving half of it to charitabe causes. It's all nice and well that Democrats can campaign for the poor people of the country, but let's face it, they're no less elitist than any Republican out there.
And Mike, it doesn't sound like you're a Liberal...more of a Libertarian...which is the way I'd vote (if I could vote) if I thought it could be applied as it should be. Which I don't think it can, unfortunately.
And now, I'll get off the soapbox for the next person's opinion...
Raising taxes isn't the way to accomplish anything (never has been, unless you're trying to inspire revolt and mutiny). Raising taxes doesn't hurt the upper class people, and taxes are rarely raised on the lower income brackets. Tax increases hurt the middle...which in turn hurts everyone else. Raising taxes takes away my spending money, which takes away income for people working at places where I would spend that money. Sales go down, profits go down, jobs get cut. It's pretty straightforward, but until it happens to "you", nobody pays it much mind. Spending is what fuels our economy...pay the middle class more and they spend more. Sales increase, profits increase, and jobs are created.
Raising taxes to "help the poor" or to increase funding to social programs is a nice thought, but keep in mind that people at the lower end of the middle-income range are now dropping in income and the consequential loss of jobs mentioned above adds more people to the welfare pool. Sure, spending may be up, but so are the people using that spending. Double-edged sword, and it's not the way to win.
Raising taxes also hurts business, both small and large. Small business is how you really have the opportunity to "make it" in this country. Big business creates a lot of jobs. Look at WI's business climate, and how many people are losing their jobs because of companies moving to greener pastures.
Better than pooling the campaign money and spreading it evenly, how about giving half of it to charitabe causes. It's all nice and well that Democrats can campaign for the poor people of the country, but let's face it, they're no less elitist than any Republican out there.
And Mike, it doesn't sound like you're a Liberal...more of a Libertarian...which is the way I'd vote (if I could vote) if I thought it could be applied as it should be. Which I don't think it can, unfortunately.
And now, I'll get off the soapbox for the next person's opinion...
I didn't mean in any way that Mike wasn't correct, just so no one is getting me wrong, but you could tell by his message that his pent up passion for the way things are not being run is very evident. Fred, it used to be that we could simply say, "trim the fat" but there isn't any more fat, now we're switching to cut, and rebuild more efficiently, and make hard sacrafices. I'd gladly give and extra 100$ or 1000$ to something if I could see the direct result... I don't think anyone would say they would hesitate to do so if they could SEE the squad car on their street 5 extra times per day, and perhaps a speeder pulled over in front of their house.... And don't get me started on "to help the poor, I watched and still watch people who are given those "leg up" programs squander them, If some one wants it bad enough, it WILL happen... I'm not saying there arn't those who truely can't, but the I'm poor and can't do it crutch is way over used....
Wisconsin HAS high taxes, I just beleive were not using the money wisely.
Back to Mike, if he's calmed down...
J
Wisconsin HAS high taxes, I just beleive were not using the money wisely.
Back to Mike, if he's calmed down...
J
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Actually I would like to chime in seeing as how the mood in here seems to be one I like. When this once great country was created our forefathers had the more feasable idea in these days of modern technology of the people beeing able to be heard through their own votes. The current government needs to be throughen out and start over with the constitution as it was when created. As well as teaching morals to the youth of the nation no better yet the world seeing as how we are increadabley able to do so. First thing get rid of all the sex on regular T.V. and put better ceancer in place. Then the immorality.
Thankyou for allowing me to have a soap box moment.
P.S. I know none of this will happen because no one trusts their neghbor to back them up anymore do to overall poor morals so we commeners no longer have a voice
Lisa
Thankyou for allowing me to have a soap box moment.
P.S. I know none of this will happen because no one trusts their neghbor to back them up anymore do to overall poor morals so we commeners no longer have a voice
Lisa
What, no more Porn???? What ever will we do with the internet then? And what will I read in my email box... all those great offers for self improvement...
I have absolutly no problem with the wire tap... ok... lets look at it. They say they only used the numbers dialed to track back known terrorists and then apply additional taps where thought needed to verify information....
Did not your blood boil when they addmited the camcorder evidence of the terrorist that planed 911, and you could hear his voice making the sounds of a plane chrashing into the towers seen in the frame as he toured the city not 6 months before....
In case your living in a bubble... They ARE HERE. What is your plan to find them and stop them???? I ask this because I would not want the just of deciding what to do every minute of the day for 8 years... because EVERYTHING he does is wrong in some way. So, how I ask you will you, Lisa, keep Jason, Tammy and Rebecca, and her 3 kitties safe tomorrow.... ???? I really want to know.
I predict you will handout smiley stickers like the Walmart greeter and ask for forgiveness from the terrorists... but surprise me.
Here's two pictures for you to think about...
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Explain to this face that you don't think potentially bad people should have their conversations listened to... just to see if they are bad or not... and....
Be thankfull these guys arn't on your street RIGHT NOW. Because we don't think it's ok to listen to bad people on the phone, but you think this helps the safety... I saw these guys on every street corner and 1/2 down every block last week.
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I await your well thougt out reply... what would you do?
J
I have absolutly no problem with the wire tap... ok... lets look at it. They say they only used the numbers dialed to track back known terrorists and then apply additional taps where thought needed to verify information....
Did not your blood boil when they addmited the camcorder evidence of the terrorist that planed 911, and you could hear his voice making the sounds of a plane chrashing into the towers seen in the frame as he toured the city not 6 months before....
In case your living in a bubble... They ARE HERE. What is your plan to find them and stop them???? I ask this because I would not want the just of deciding what to do every minute of the day for 8 years... because EVERYTHING he does is wrong in some way. So, how I ask you will you, Lisa, keep Jason, Tammy and Rebecca, and her 3 kitties safe tomorrow.... ???? I really want to know.
I predict you will handout smiley stickers like the Walmart greeter and ask for forgiveness from the terrorists... but surprise me.
Here's two pictures for you to think about...
<a href="http://photobucket.com/" target="_blank"><img src="http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c205/jmkarcz/IMG_5152.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting"></a>
Explain to this face that you don't think potentially bad people should have their conversations listened to... just to see if they are bad or not... and....
Be thankfull these guys arn't on your street RIGHT NOW. Because we don't think it's ok to listen to bad people on the phone, but you think this helps the safety... I saw these guys on every street corner and 1/2 down every block last week.
<a href="http://photobucket.com/" target="_blank"><img src="http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c205/jmkarcz/IMG_5167.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting"></a>
I await your well thougt out reply... what would you do?
J
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