Harlequin shrimp babies!

Calappidae

Harlequin Shrimp
I don't have photos as their as small as copepods, but my female hymenocera picta released her eggs last night! I managed to save a few with a net and currently am atempting to keep them alive alteast until they can hunt for stars.

I don't believe too many people have succeeded in this and here's why:

1: food source, when harlequin shrimp are newborn, they are free floating rather than walking around so they do not eat starfish right away, this can be problematic as no body really knows what to feed them exactly.. and know when it's time for stars.

2: Filteration, sometimes you kill them by feeding them! You can't have the proper filteration a normal reef tank has.. even little microbubbles are a threat and can kill them making maintaining oxygen in the water near impossible to keep up with. Water flow from powerheads are too strong and will likely kill them on impact against glass walls flying at high speeds.

3: Expense, ok this part isn't that bad but first thing people think about is how to feed 300 baby harlequin shrimp starfish and keep their home at the same time.. any store bought stars are too big and I'm sure any baby harlys can find other homes before you get that far anyway. This is an irrelevant reason not to atempt growing them but it definitly discourages many from trying.

Now going to back to problem 1.. I already have that problem solved! Luckily for me I have a massive population of asterina starfish thriving in my 30 gallon.. so I'll just house a majority of them with the new borns and they can take them on whenever they decide to. I also believe I've discovered what they can eat during their free floating stage!! With a magnefying glass.. I watched a little one nibbling on some marine snow I dump in there! So the food part is one major issue taken care of!

Now for filteration.. I'm still a little stumped on this.. but I'm going to have to improvise...

I'm thinking with a combination of Amquel (ammonia detoxicfier), and a single mangrove seedling (plants which soaks up nitrates like a pro! They're restricted in many states sadly.) I'll be able to keep their enviroment unpolluted long enough before a real tank. As for oxygenation, I'm going to get a single PVC pipe, silicone it air tight to the bottom of the holding tank, cut slits at the top of the pipe like an overflow box kinda.. and place an air stone down in it so any free floaters won't get any major impact with the bubbles as the bubbles would be to big to fit through the slits... and the shrimp won't go down in there as the little bit of flow would push them away gently.

I'm excited to see how far and well this goes for me. To add another little twist to all this.. while the female hymenocera is indeed a picta.. the MALE hymenocera is actually an Elegans!! Two different species just bred and had babies!! I'd like to see how they turned out if maybe there was some change in coloration, new adaptations, etc, etc. I don't know how the classifaction system works exactly whether these just be different subspecies or if I created and entirely new species.. but nonetheless, I'll record any news on these guys!

This is day 1 after birth and the only thing to report is they're eating marine snow, and I observed them offically eating it through a magnefying glass.

I do not own the video below, but here's what the larvae look like (except mine are more brown)
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That is AWESOME.
Maybe you can teach them to eat frozen stars if you raise them from babies... Freeze asterina stars or something similar?
 
I've had harlequin shrimp eating frozen before, it's actually more expensive and risky because the stars decay during feeding causing a bigger mess in the tank and what the harlequins could make last 2 weeks to a month even on a live star turn into a couple days with a frozen.. and feeding legs every other day still doesn't provide enough since the tubefeet, the only part of the starfish they eat, actually melt away after thawing... so half the time they do tear into it but never even get a bite of what they need.

When I started feeding live after frozen I notice a major growth acceleration, and they look much sturdier and plasticy rather than paper.

Starfish also lack a brain so they don't really feel or take notice in anything for those who can't stand killing things.

I just checked on them tonight and they're doing good still! Right now they're in a 1/2 gallon of water, I have the container (or cut up water bottle to be percise) floating in my 125 to 100% of the time remain the proper temperature, which is 82ish.
 
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Here is a very good read on the subject
http://www.chucksaddiction.com/harlequinshrimp.html

My female has eggs from time to time but they become fish food. Good luck, very cool.

I've read that before, He only got to day 5 so let's see if I can make it past there. That's my goal, to atleast make it farther than anybody else and hopefully all the way even. I know this will be either a beginners luck thing for me successfully keeping these alive.. or it'll give me the trail and error crap like everything else does. None the less, the more reported results and experiences said the more we'll know! I don't see marine snow mentioned anywhere on there and that's what they're eating for me!

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EDIT: after reading it even says trail and error in the document :D
 
That point about starfish having no brains is a good one- they're basically mobile, slightly more complicated corals, the way I see them. Nobody would get mad about a common coral being fed to something.
Good luck with your tiny bits of flamboyant-ness!
That's how I always see 'em- flamboyant-ness.
 
Sorry completely forgot to update :wildone:

day 2 nothing new happened, floating around.. eating marine snow..

I did ounce size water changes in the 1/2 gallon throughout the day in an atempt to keep up with the marine snow.

day 3, sad day.. I'm not one who likes to admit a failure to the public but late night on this day I did lose all fry. Either way they'd end up fish food so no guilt here but maybe next time I'll get a bit more lucky.

I can't say I was a total failure as I did witness and discover marine snow as a potential easy access alternative to feeding the fry.
 
An old professor and friend of mine worked with breeding harlequin shrimp years ago and he and his team got them to settle but had difficulty getting them to feed at the small size. I thought I heard of at least one successful attempt at them.
 
Sorry Joe. Know you were hoping to go further. Now that you know they have bred once, hope they keep breeding for you, and in the meantime you can research and have a dedicated setup ready next time. Did you test the water in the tank for ammonia before you tossed it? Why do you think they died? Conditions or starvation?
 
Could be various reasons why they died. My most suspected criminal in this is probably lack of oxygen and stagnant water. Consituring it was in a 1/2 gallon as this was a random, spur of the momment type thing I wasn't prepared for (I honestly didn't think any of her eggs were fertilized being picta and elegans rather than just a picta pair)

I did buy an air pump along with stones and such and I already cut the pvc (and my hand..) ready to silicone and have ready for the next batch! I cut the pvc kinda like you'd see an overflow box look with thin slits just to stick the airstone down there to lessen the aggressive impact of the bubbles on them.

Bongo shrimp, what type of systems were you guys using? (water volume, temperature, parameters, etc.)
 
Unfortunately I didnt know him at the time and did not work with him. I have asked him if I could see his notes before because I am interested myself but he is really busy and probably forgot. What I can tell you is that he was doing this in the Florida keys and had an open system. So his water params were whatever the local seawater params were. Also he and his team would collect and try just about anything they could find as a food source but I don't know of any specifics to tell you. If I see him soon I will ask him about this.
 
I didn't read the entirety of your post to see that they died on day 3. I'm really sorry they died.

I hope you have them make it further next time!! It's still really neat that your tank was healthy enough for them to feel good about making the babies.
 
Thanks!

Bongo, that would be excellant! I'm goaling to gather as much info as possible to make these projects a little easier for more to atempt.

I was keeping mine at 1.025 salinity and the container was floating in an 82 degree tank. Probably a little on the high side..
 
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