Help me please,,

[Jedi4lif]

I upgraded from a 40 gallon breeder to a 75 gallon 4 days ago. I have since lost 2 fish. My powdered brown tang and my mandarin goby. I took the loss of the goby really hard.
Can someone please tell me what the hell is happening.
Is it the stress of the move?

I transferred the 40 pounds of live rock from the old tank and added 25 pounds of new life rock I got from my LFS. As well as 40 pounds of new live sand on the bottom and I put the old sand from the old tank on top.

I mixed my own salt water. Rodi with reef crystal salt. It's a new rodi unit, but I let it run through per the manufacturer instructions.

Current parameters:
Ammonia 0
Nitrates 0
Nitrites 0
Ph 8
Salinity 1.025.

Stock. 2 Ocel clowns
1 fox face
1 neon dotty back.
And inverts.

Please please help. Anybody.

 

[Jedi4lif]

Help Help Please

Help Help Please

I upgraded from a 40 gallon breeder to a 75 gallon 4 days ago. I have since lost 2 fish. My powdered brown tang and my mandarin goby. I took the loss of the goby really hard.
Can someone please tell me what the hell is happening.
Is it the stress of the move?

I transferred the 40 pounds of live rock from the old tank and added 25 pounds of new life rock I got from my LFS. As well as 40 pounds of new live sand on the bottom and I put the old sand from the old tank on top.

I mixed my own salt water. Rodi with reef crystal salt. It's a new rodi unit, but I let it run through per the manufacturer instructions.

Current parameters:
Ammonia 0
Nitrates 0
Nitrites 0
Ph 8
Salinity 1.025.
:sad1::sad1:
Stock. 2 Ocel clowns
1 fox face
1 neon dotty back.
And inverts.

Please please help. Anybody.

 

[FoxFace Fish]

did you acclimate your fish. I know it sounds dumb but one time I transferred 1 fish to another tank that had the exact same parameters in them actually the same water to and my guess was he died from shook. Also check your amino level it can spike after live rock transfer or sand transfer.

 

[Jedi4lif]

Would it take them that long to die from shock? The first one died on day 3 and the goby on day 4.

ive been testing the water everyday from the time the switched and I havnt had an spikes. my at a loss.

 

[FoxFace Fish]

mine was ok for about 2 days then I woke up on the third day and he was being tossed around the tank with no color dead as a door knob.

Is there anything else in the tank that could of killed them? when I went from a 10 gallon to 30 a long time ago. I had a dotty back that was super chill but when I transferred him he turned into a jerk and killed my false clown goby

Also why is your Ph low like that. was it that low on your other tank?

 

[RobZilla04]

The combined shock and new conditions could have led them to stop eating. Did you notice if they ate when you fed over the past four days?

 

[FoxFace Fish]

lol mine ate but I just figured that was a given to his question but that makes sense now that I think about it

 

[Jedi4lif]

My PH is between 8.0 and 8.4 over the course of a year or so.

And yes. They were eating very well.

My dotty has actually chilled out some. He has found a new little cave to call home and has been chilling in there. Comes out swims around and goes back in.

I freaking because I don't want to loose my fox face. I would be devastated.

 

[Jedi4lif]

I saved that fox face from Petco. He was really ill and I they were going to take him out. I happened to be there at the time and they gave him to me.

I nursed him back to health or a course of 2 months and now he is King.

 

[FoxFace Fish]

I will agree I would be upset if I lost mine he is my dream fish.

Did you notice any color change in any of the fish or flailing of the fins. Also is it on a new system

How did you set up the tank

 

[Jedi4lif]

With the 40g, I had a marine life c220 55g canister filter. So I kept that one and added a new one. Same size c220 55g. I have the intakes in the middle and the outflows in each corner to create more water movement. I have a 65g protein skimmer hanging on the back as well.

I don't have a sump.

 

[heathlindner25]

All your other fish are doing ok now?

 

[mcgyvr]

Could just be stress.. but you should really keep monitoring your ammonia/nitrites.
Was the new live rock straight from the LFS store and kept wet? How about the live sand...was it from their tanks or your typical bagged live sand?

 

[wrott]

My guess would be--if you had just transferred the existing rock only--no extra rock and no sand, just kept it bare bottom--everything would have survived fine. As long as you didn't wait around w/ pumps off in the 40g, just matched temp and SG.

The extra rock may or may not have caused a cycle(NH3 spike) but it definitely would be stressful, but the sand did cause trauma, especially the old.

As long as the bio-load is the same, the water volume would not matter. You could have slowly added new rock, and eventually added new sand in small batches after a couple of months. Sorry for the losses--that sux.

 

[Jedi4lif]

Day 6.
My dotty and my fox are gone. I have both clowns left, my inverts and my corals.

My water tests absolutely clear.
Ph 8.2
With no nitrate or nitrite spikes
No ammonia
Sal 1.025

There is something in that water that I can't see.

Is it possible that something leached from the garbage can when I mixed the water. I cleaned very well with water and it said it was a potable can.

My plan today is to do a 25% water change with my LFS water.

I'm devastated

 

[Jedi4lif]

The new rock was "life rock" and the new sand was brand new Caribbean Sea sand.

My water tests are clean. Not a trace of anything. Sal 1.025 ph 8.2.

It's now day 6 of the transfer and I have lost all but the 2 clowns and inverts. I still have my corals as well.

I'm devastated

 

[monkeysee1]

You lost the Fox Face and Dottyback too? :sad2:

The new rock was "life rock"

That may have been the root cause of the problem right there.
You probably should have gotten some dry rock, rinsed the heck out of it, seeded it with bacteria in a drum with freshly made salt water and let it circulate for a month or so before doing your entire tank transfer.

Sorry for your loss.
Going FORWARD:
Take mcgyvr's advice: keep monitoring, monitoring and monitoring your new tank for the critical parameters he listed. When you get tired of that, monitor some more.
Do WEEKLY regular changes religiously. Probably wouldn't be a bad idea for you to get some PRODIBIO BIOCLEAN bacteria to add to your tank after EACH water change to ensure good cycling. MARINE DEPOT has it.
Get some carbon and put some in a sock, rinse it well and place the sock in your sump to remove any potential toxins that MIGHT be released from the corals. REPLACE THE CARBON EVERY WEEK.
Care for your corals and Clowns as you normally would: FEED THEM.
If everything is okay, you can start adding new fish to replace your deceased ones in 4-6 weeks, ONE AT A TIME, at a spacing of 3-4 weeks apart. (OR - if you have a quarantine tank, you can purchase 1 or 2 now to start and leave them there for 6 weeks and if they look good after that then you can put them into your new 75 because your 75 should have calmed down and stabilized by then).
Good luck, but after this you should be fine!
M.S.

 

[Xxero]

Did you have the new 75 up and running for a few days or did you set it all up, i.e. poured in new sand/old sand; poured in new water; moved over new rocks/old rocks; tossed in fish?

 

[Jedi4lif]

I found the dotty last night and the fox this am.

I don't know what to do. My plan is to do a 25% water change with water from my LFS and she if that helps any.

 

[monkeysee1]

I don't know what to do. My plan is to do a 25% water change with water from my LFS and she if that helps any.

Yep - I'd start THERE. A 15-20 percent water change ought to be sufficient. Using the LFS water is fine as long as you know for sure it's purified through well maintained RO DI units.
Like I said, get some PROBIDIO and some carbon. You can go without the PROBIDIO this water change, but I would order some so you'll have it ready for your NEXT water change. The carbon and bag you should get at your LFS right away.
You'll be fine. Just keep feeding you clowns and corals (but DON'T overfeed) - watch them CLOSELY and wait 4-6 weeks for everything to stabilize. Then you can START to add 1-2 fish, and take things from there.
You run GFO? If not you should get some and ANOTHER bag dedicated to that and put THAT in your sump sock too. Pick THOSE items up at your LFS too, while you're at it.