Help with ick again!

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BetiumInside

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Hello,

I had a problem with ich in the past that killed all my fish, anyways...
I ran my tank for 3 weeks no fish; I bought a UV Sterilizer as well,
Then I just bought a false percula clown and now he has ich,
I monitored this fish at lfs for 3 days, he ate right, he was healthy no ich,
Then I brought it home and after almost a week the ich is there. WHY???

I ran the tank for 3 weeks with one anemone and one cleaner shrimp.

Is ich and disease for fish only? Or the shrimp or anemone can have it? Corals?

By the way, I discovered my first flatworm on the glass... lol

My tank it's been running for 3 months already.

Since it was a fish only tank, only have 15 pounds of live rock, I am in the curing
Process of 80 more pounds.

And my tank is 100 g.

My Water parameters:

Ammonia 0
Nitrite 0
Nitrate 5
PH 8.0
Temp 79


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I am sorry that I gave all the information around, but when posting a threat it should have fields
Already for all this information needed, it would be easier for the poster and for the helper.

I hope you can help me.
 
I am fighting ICH right now as speaking with my Hippo Tang he seems to be doing a bit better this morning. I gave the tank 2 doses of RID ICH+ from Kordon and i am feeding him algea sheets dipped in garlic xtreme from Kent Marine.

My skimmer overflowed last night i guess due to the Rid Ich that i dumped in the tank because the skimate was the same color as the ICH Disease Treatment that i am using but i just cleaned everything up and now is back to normal, my Hippo still has ich at the moment.
 
The problem with that is that I have invertebrates and rid ich+ as copper and copper would kill my anemone and snails, etc. I am in the process of setting up the QT, but my question is what is causing the ich running a 24/7 UV sterilizer, and have a good water conditions, he was the latest habitant in the tank, so I donââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢t know.
 
I had ich and was told to wait 6 weeks and slowly take my temps to 84. It takes 6 weeks for ich to complete its cycle with no fish in the tank and ich cant live in water temps above 84. Ich does not affect inverts. After waiting the time period and raising my temp I no longer have ich.
 
Re: Help with ick again!

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7295161#post7295161 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by BetiumInside
Hello,

I had a problem with ich in the past that killed all my fish, anyways...
I ran my tank for 3 weeks no fish; I bought a UV Sterilizer as well,
Then I just bought a false percula clown and now he has ich,
I monitored this fish at lfs for 3 days, he ate right, he was healthy no ich,
Then I brought it home and after almost a week the ich is there. WHY???
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Sorry to hear about your problems with ICH.
three weeks is cutting it short in my humble opinion. I have heard people have great success in fighting ICH with a UV sterilizer. You say you monitored the fish at the LFS for three days, then took it home and after a week it shows signs of ICH. Think about that for a second. It took a whole week to show signs after being put in your home. Maybe you should have observed the fish for more than three days before buying it then.
Also, the LFS has fish comming and going and usually all the tanks are connected, so even if a fish has been fine for years, when you buy it theres no guarantee that two minuttes before leaving the LFS tank another fish with any number of bad stuff was just introduced to the tank. Thereby infecting the fish you just bought that has been fine for years.

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7295161#post7295161 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by BetiumInside
I ran the tank for 3 weeks with one anemone and one cleaner shrimp.

Is ich and disease for fish only? Or the shrimp or anemone can have it? Corals?
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Cleaner shrimp can help the situation, but I dont believe they are the fix. ICH is not a disease, ICH is a parasite. The white spots on your fish is cysts where I believe the ICH completes some part of its lifecycle within. After this stage is complete the cyst pops and releases the ICH wich falls to the tank bottom where it completes another stage of their lifecycle. This whole cycle is continuous untill the ICH is widespread and kills your fish unless stopped. So even if you do not see the white spots on your fish you might very well have ICH, the parasite is just not on the stage of life where it is attached to the host. ICH I believe only uses fish as hosts.

I would reccommend that you get a quarantine tank for future fish purchases. And that you stop being in a damn hurry. take your time. three days at the LFS is nothing and means very little. It is good that you saw the fish eat and noted it looked healthy. But that is no guarantee that the fish is parasite free and otherwise healthy.

For now I think you should soak the fodd in garlic and selcon on a rotating schedule. If you do end up loosing the fish. Wait awhile before you buy another fish.....So what if it takes two months? You will have the tank for years, and a good beginning is the best thing you can have in this hobby.

Hope this helps.

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Your tank should run for 6 weeks without fish to ensure all of the Ich is gone.

As far as what a fish looks like in the fish store; that is no indication of its real health.

I have had numerous fish that looked great at the LFS and came down with Ich the moment I put them in their quarantine tank. Upon talking to the LFS owner it seems that many LFS owners will keep small amounts of copper added to their water systems to make life easier on fish that have parasites.

When you get the fish home into non copperized water the Ich presents itself. The stress of bagging and acclimating helps to allow the parasite to occur in full force. This is actually a good thing in some respects. The more stressed and rundown a fish gets the better your chances of seeing any parasites it may have.

I have two fish in quarantine right now that have Ich. They will go into my reef tank 4 weeks after their Ich treatment is complete.

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Your tank needed to sit fallow for 8 weeks to absolutely make sure that the ich was out.

The new fish needs to spend time in qt (how the ich got in the main tank to start with) for 4 weeks before going into display (prophylactic treatment is a good idea)

ICH is not that hard to beat, it takes time and patience is all.

Treatment of the fish itself is also an issue. Hyposalinity is my choice of weapons but that as well as any copper treatment must be done outside any tank with inverts, live rock or corals. It takes a few weeks to perform however.

Copper is much quicker, and probably more effective, but it is more difficult as you must monitor levels very carefully as the window of effectiveness is very narrow. Not enough, ich lives, to much fish dies....
 
concerning the UV filter.....it depends alot on the size of the filter & the flow....the wayer has to be in the filter long enough to actually effect the parasites
 
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