Hey Fellow Reef Peep's, Check This Out, I Bought Two M.capricornis Frag's Infested...

[Chaotic Reefer4u]

with montipora eating nudi's! 'yike's' freshwater dipped 'em and the nudi's came right off as if an avalanche hit 'em... anyhow, i just wanted to share this with you reef peep's. enjoy the pik's...

 

[Thales]

Oy. Gotta ask where they came from.

The FW dips on caps tend to end poorly or take a long time in recovery. Let us know how they do.

 

[dswong01]

Tropical marine cure works great for dips on montis caps

 

[Thales]

But it doesn't necessarily kill monti nudis.

 

[Mr. Ugly]

Caps won't tolerate much more than a 30 second dip in fresh water, and at that they get severely stressed.

If you are still treating your caps, could you try Povidone/Betadine dip? Povidone is only about $12 for a big bottle at Walgreens... even cheaper if you look for it online.

I've been doing 25 minute dips in 1ml Povidone per 8 ounces of salt water. The corals don't seem stressed at all. Seems like the amount of Povidone can be increased without problem. Still experimenting.

I need to get some coral pests to try the dip on. If you could see what it takes to nuke those montis, that would be cool.

 

[Mr. Ugly]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8662651#post8662651 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Thales
But it doesn't necessarily kill monti nudis.

Severely stuns them, is what I understand.

Anybody try hyposalinity for monti nudis? I've read about doing iodine dip followed by adding enough RO water to drop the salinity by half. Supposedly stuns then explodes the nudis without stressing the cap as much as a freshwater dip.

 

[reefer on a budget]

a combination of scrubbing and dipping in concentrated iodine has helped when battling those suckers. for me most corals i freshwater dipped did not survive.

 

[Chaotic Reefer4u]

Good Morning Thales...

Good Morning Thales...

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8662513#post8662513 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Thales
Oy. Gotta ask where they came from.

The FW dips on caps tend to end poorly or take a long time in recovery. Let us know how they do.

just seeking guidance here, would it be wrong to say where they came from? oh and i will keep you posted on how they recover, or not.

 

[Chaotic Reefer4u]

Mr. Ugly...

Mr. Ugly...

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8663770#post8663770 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Mr. Ugly
Caps won't tolerate much more than a 30 second dip in fresh water, and at that they get severely stressed.

If you are still treating your caps, could you try Povidone/Betadine dip? Povidone is only about $12 for a big bottle at Walgreens... even cheaper if you look for it online.

I've been doing 25 minute dips in 1ml Povidone per 8 ounces of salt water. The corals don't seem stressed at all. Seems like the amount of Povidone can be increased without problem. Still experimenting.

I need to get some coral pests to try the dip on. If you could see what it takes to nuke those montis, that would be cool.

very informative, thanx. i will have to take heed to that...:reading:

 

[sfsuphysics]

Re: Good Morning Thales...

Re: Good Morning Thales...

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8664610#post8664610 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by ChAoTiCrEeFeR4U
just seeking guidance here, would it be wrong to say where they came from?

If they came from a store? Absolutely not wrong.
If they came from a person on ebay or online who regularlly sells corals? Absolutely not wrong.
If they came from a particular person that was just selling a few frags? Probably not wrong. Telling the person should be a priority though.

The whole deal with these pests seems to be they spread via ignorance, being as no one knows that a particular store/person has a pest infested tank just allows them to continue to propagate through the "wild" (aka where us land-lubbers live). If I got ich or some other disease from a particular stores tank I would absolutely tell people about it if I'm sure that's where it came from. Be classy about it, don't go calling the person names or something, but letting the public know could potentially stop issues with others infecting a whole tank (in the case they are lax about quarantine proceedures.)

 

[reefer on a budget]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8662513#post8662513 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Thales
Oy. Gotta ask where they came from.

The FW dips on caps tend to end poorly or take a long time in recovery. Let us know how they do.

lets get back to the topic here. how do we deal w/ these monti nudis. :smokin:

 

[sfsuphysics]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8662513#post8662513 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Thales
Oy. Gotta ask where they came from.

Well I'm not 100% sure, but since there was a recent post from the same person and in that he mentioned getting 2 monti cap frags... it might be easy to figure out where

 

[raddogz]

I have been using the povidone solution for quite awhile now due to another "pest". After you dip whether it be any of the solutions mentioned you have to look for the eggs and scrape them off.

 

[tropoasis]

You're best bet to get rid of them is to place them in QT, separate from your main system.

Before placing them in QT, place them in a separate container with tank water and use a turkey baster to blow off the adults and babies. then using a toothbrush, brush off any eggs you find, they will be attached to a dead section of the skeleton they have already eaten.

Place in QT and watch for 3~4 days and repeat the process with the turkey baster to remove any newly hatched nudis.

I don't recommend using any dip solution on the corals, it stresses them too much, you'll still have to make sure by waiting, for all the eggs to hatch otherwise you'll risk letting them into your main system. It may take some time (2~4 weeks) but it is the only way to be sure that you eradicate them completely.

After 7~10 days without noticing any new nudis on your coral, it is fairly safe to move into your main system. I have kept infected monties I have gotten from people, in QT for up to a month to make absolutely sure to eradicate all the pests.

Frank

 

[Thales]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8664998#post8664998 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by reefer on a budget
lets get back to the topic here. how do we deal w/ these monti nudis. :smokin:

The major way to deal with them is to stop their spread. Which includes finding out what stores and wholesalers they are coming from and contacting the stores and wholesalers to help them deal with the problem, not just leaving it up to the end hobbyist. When I first got them, I had already put two frags in the BAR swap that might and I posted about it immediately. A person, a store, or a wholesaler having a parasite on corals is not something to be embarrassed about, rather it is something to be dealt with head on.

That all said, the responsibility of dealing with the parasite ultimately falls to the buyer. A q-tank is becoming simply a must have and must do, although some are getting away with a regimen of dips.

I finally beat the monti nudis (cross your fingers) after about a year of battle and haven't seen a trace of them for about 6 months. What I learned was to put all your frags on small rocks and then glue those rocs to your aquascape. Then, if you notice something parasitey you pull the coral and either q tank it, or dip it every few days hoping to get any nudis that hatched from eggs you missed in the visual inspection and scrubbing you also do when you have the coral out of the water.

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8665901#post8665901 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by sfsuphysics
Well I'm not 100% sure, but since there was a recent post from the same person and in that he mentioned getting 2 monti cap frags... it might be easy to figure out where

And it might be easier to help people protect their investment, both new and old, by just writing Mermaid instead of asking people who don't read all threads religiously to go on a hunt which makes the store look icky when it isn't. Now that people know, someone (Gresham ) will tell them and they will prolly do something more than they are already doing about it. More importantly, people who shop there, or anywhere for that matter will be more likely to actually do the dips and/or the q.

 

[Chaotic Reefer4u]

trop~oasis

trop~oasis

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8670507#post8670507 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by tropoasis
You're best bet to get rid of them is to place them in QT, separate from your main system.

Before placing them in QT, place them in a separate container with tank water and use a turkey baster to blow off the adults and babies. then using a toothbrush, brush off any eggs you find, they will be attached to a dead section of the skeleton they have already eaten.

Place in QT and watch for 3~4 days and repeat the process with the turkey baster to remove any newly hatched nudis.

I don't recommend using any dip solution on the corals, it stresses them too much, you'll still have to make sure by waiting, for all the eggs to hatch otherwise you'll risk letting them into your main system. It may take some time (2~4 weeks) but it is the only way to be sure that you eradicate them completely.

After 7~10 days without noticing any new nudis on your coral, it is fairly safe to move into your main system. I have kept infected monties I have gotten from people, in QT for up to a month to make absolutely sure to eradicate all the pests.

Frank

very good info, thanx pal...

 

[Chaotic Reefer4u]

Thale's...

Thale's...

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8670521#post8670521 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Thales


The major way to deal with them is to stop their spread. Which includes finding out what stores and wholesalers they are coming from and contacting the stores and wholesalers to help them deal with the problem, not just leaving it up to the end hobbyist. When I first got them, I had already put two frags in the BAR swap that might and I posted about it immediately. A person, a store, or a wholesaler having a parasite on corals is not something to be embarrassed about, rather it is something to be dealt with head on.

That all said, the responsibility of dealing with the parasite ultimately falls to the buyer. A q-tank is becoming simply a must have and must do, although some are getting away with a regimen of dips.

I finally beat the monti nudis (cross your fingers) after about a year of battle and haven't seen a trace of them for about 6 months. What I learned was to put all your frags on small rocks and then glue those rocs to your aquascape. Then, if you notice something parasitey you pull the coral and either q tank it, or dip it every few days hoping to get any nudis that hatched from eggs you missed in the visual inspection and scrubbing you also do when you have the coral out of the water.





And it might be easier to help people protect their investment, both new and old, by just writing Mermaid instead of asking people who don't read all threads religiously to go on a hunt which makes the store look icky when it isn't. Now that people know, someone (Gresham ) will tell them and they will prolly do something more than they are already doing about it. More importantly, people who shop there, or anywhere for that matter will be more likely to actually do the dips and/or the q.

very well said my reefing friend

 

[sfsuphysics]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8670521#post8670521 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Thales
:
And it might be easier to help people protect their investment, both new and old, by just writing Mermaid instead of asking people who don't read all threads religiously to go on a hunt which makes the store look icky when it isn't.

See there is a good reason I kept my mouth shut, because I saw the topic of the title, 139th in San Leandro, so I assumed it was TP.. having looked back over the thread I do infact see the caps were gotten at Mermaid, and not TP so me writing whom I thought would have been "bad press".

I think the best course would have to just posted the thread and let others read it