supertech99
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hitchhickers from fish i didnt quarintine long enough, i wanted to try kick ich before copper. Does it work!
I have ich
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sandalscout
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With ich, I don't like using those things. Can you requarantine the fish? Garlic works wonders.
Mikeyjer
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Re: I have ich
I would try some formula 2 with added garlic, it works great for me. Feed multiple times per day with this stuff, around 3-4 times. Make sure you mush it up first before you dump it in. Depending on the type of fish you have, I would avoid copper cause it can cause health issues in certain fish like tangs.
I would try some formula 2 with added garlic, it works great for me. Feed multiple times per day with this stuff, around 3-4 times. Make sure you mush it up first before you dump it in. Depending on the type of fish you have, I would avoid copper cause it can cause health issues in certain fish like tangs.
HowardCath
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Re: I have ich
So sorry. I thought only fish could get ich.
So sorry. I thought only fish could get ich.
Fanof49ASU
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That was my first thought as well. I bet it hurts.
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13511586#post13511586 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by HowardCath
So sorry. I thought only fish could get ich.
That was my first thought as well. I bet it hurts.
supertech99
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my gills are totally swollen hehehehe. When my fish are sick, so am I. I got a hospital tank set up to save my rock and gave the little buggers a freshwater dip and then placed them in the tank. I wanted to get the infestation down fast because it was progressing very fast on my clown goby. The owner of Emerald Bay said that they use quick cure (formalin and machelite green) in hyposalinity. When I got home and got it all set up and started the dipping process I had already lost the goby! Anyone ever tried quick cure?
Angela Short
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The "Only" proven method of kicking ick for good is Hypo or copper. Hypo has to be precise to be effective by using a calibrated refractometer and copper can be an option but your tank would forever only be sutable as a Fowlr. I personally prefer Hypo and if you are a fowlr you can do it in the main tank. It will just kill off all the pods and worms so you may get a small ammonia spike so keep up with testing. If you go copper do not do hypo at the same time as the copper gets more toxic in lower SG.
All the other Quick cures have been proven by independant reserch to be a 50/50 at best. Does it work for some? Yep. Does Garlic and metrodiozanol work for some? Yep. But to be 100% sure you never have to deal with it in the future you need to do hypo in the main for at least 6-8 weeks or copper in the main. If you treat the fish only in a QT the tank will still harbor the buggers for 6-8 weeks so what do you do?... "IF" you do not plan on properly QTing all the fish you put in the tank then I would say try the kick ick or one of the reefsafe treatments since its a good chance you may run into it again in the future and the PITA of hypo was in vain.
It just comes down to how much time and work you want to do. Hypo being the hardest and over the counter being the easiest
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Your fish can fight it off on there own with help from garlic, an imune booster, and people have had luck with Metrodiozanol. If the fish can get through a few cycles of attack theycan build an immunity to it but any new fish added may get it. Jfolly had an outbreak last summer of Ick and used metro and garlic and it slowley went away and I have her fish now and they are clean as a pin with no signs. I will see if I can find the metro recipe that Fishdoc wrote out. It may take awhile so if anyone has it handy please post it.
All the other Quick cures have been proven by independant reserch to be a 50/50 at best. Does it work for some? Yep. Does Garlic and metrodiozanol work for some? Yep. But to be 100% sure you never have to deal with it in the future you need to do hypo in the main for at least 6-8 weeks or copper in the main. If you treat the fish only in a QT the tank will still harbor the buggers for 6-8 weeks so what do you do?... "IF" you do not plan on properly QTing all the fish you put in the tank then I would say try the kick ick or one of the reefsafe treatments since its a good chance you may run into it again in the future and the PITA of hypo was in vain.
It just comes down to how much time and work you want to do. Hypo being the hardest and over the counter being the easiest
.Your fish can fight it off on there own with help from garlic, an imune booster, and people have had luck with Metrodiozanol. If the fish can get through a few cycles of attack theycan build an immunity to it but any new fish added may get it. Jfolly had an outbreak last summer of Ick and used metro and garlic and it slowley went away and I have her fish now and they are clean as a pin with no signs. I will see if I can find the metro recipe that Fishdoc wrote out. It may take awhile so if anyone has it handy please post it
.Angela Short
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http://www.reefkeeping.com/issues/2004-10/sp/feature/index.php
Here is a good article on QTing
And one on garlic..
http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2005-10/sp/index.php
And I used the cheat function to acess RC to serch articles on Metronidazole The correct spellin
I can't find the recipe but it is basically smashing up a metro pill and soaking it in food and feeding the fish... I am sure someone can post it and if you really want to do it PM Fishdoc11 for it.
http://www.google.com/custom?hl=en&...dazole&btnG=Search&sitesearch=reefcentral.com
Here is a good article on QTing
And one on garlic..
http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2005-10/sp/index.php
And I used the cheat function to acess RC to serch articles on Metronidazole The correct spellin
I can't find the recipe but it is basically smashing up a metro pill and soaking it in food and feeding the fish... I am sure someone can post it and if you really want to do it PM Fishdoc11 for it. http://www.google.com/custom?hl=en&...dazole&btnG=Search&sitesearch=reefcentral.com
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Fanof49ASU
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Little off topic......but here's my rant for the day.
We should have named 'people' diseases with words that accurately describe the sickness.
Cold, flu, influenza......those names don't tell you anything. But now Ich.....that sounds like something I don't want no part of.
Back in the Middle Ages, sicknesses like the Black Plague gave you a really good idea of the nastiness that awaited you. Nowadays, with sicknesses called the Bird flu, it doesn't exactly translate the same way.
We should have named 'people' diseases with words that accurately describe the sickness.
Cold, flu, influenza......those names don't tell you anything. But now Ich.....that sounds like something I don't want no part of.
Back in the Middle Ages, sicknesses like the Black Plague gave you a really good idea of the nastiness that awaited you. Nowadays, with sicknesses called the Bird flu, it doesn't exactly translate the same way.
supertech99
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my fish seem comfortable in the qt tank, the temp is running 83.4 sg at 1.017, lights off with a makeshift top to prevent carpet surfing, added a internal filter i had running in my tank for biofilter, used prime for slime coat, gave them their first treatment of the "quick cure" product last night and they seem to be doing well. I plan on keeping them in there for 30 days so that all of the parasite eggs can hatch and die before adding them back in the tank. updates to come as we progress, everyone looks happy and all three have stopped "flashing" and rubbing on stuff!
angela one of those articles you linked for me stated that garlic really has not been proven to do anything but you stated it was an immune booster. I am a little confused? what is metro? it is totally going to be the next thing i try if the "quick cure" is not successful (would have tried metro first but started treatment before i got your post
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angela one of those articles you linked for me stated that garlic really has not been proven to do anything but you stated it was an immune booster. I am a little confused? what is metro? it is totally going to be the next thing i try if the "quick cure" is not successful (would have tried metro first but started treatment before i got your post
)
musicman
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I think you're going to need more than 30 days to make sure the ich life cycle is broken. 6-8 weeks is the norm. Remember, if you don't break the cycle, you could be doing this all over in a couple months. A couple extra weeks up front can save a lot of hassle later.
Good luck!
Good luck!
Mikeyjer
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13516574#post13516574 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by supertech99
my fish seem comfortable in the qt tank, the temp is running 83.4 sg at 1.017, lights off with a makeshift top to prevent carpet surfing, added a internal filter i had running in my tank for biofilter, used prime for slime coat, gave them their first treatment of the "quick cure" product last night and they seem to be doing well. I plan on keeping them in there for 30 days so that all of the parasite eggs can hatch and die before adding them back in the tank. updates to come as we progress, everyone looks happy and all three have stopped "flashing" and rubbing on stuff!
angela one of those articles you linked for me stated that garlic really has not been proven to do anything but you stated it was an immune booster. I am a little confused? what is metro? it is totally going to be the next thing i try if the "quick cure" is not successful (would have tried metro first but started treatment before i got your post
Garlic is not proven completely, but in some test have shown that it does something to the parasite itself when it feeds on a fish that's been digesting garlic. I wish I still have that saved on my computer, I could of hyperlink it here..... It's something that I have done many times. I have tried all those quick cure, malachite green formalin stuff. Watch the amount of stuffs you use, sometimes you can cause more harm then good. Like it was mentioned, the only proven methods are copper and hypo. They do work don't get me wrong, but I do not like using copper because of my past experiences of what it does to tangs and that's one of the major species I keep. I've been very successful doing garlic treatments for the past 4 years and that's what I will stick with. I didn't believe it at first until I tried it and my first test was on a Naso Tang that was badly infested with ich and he stopped eating. He was skin and bones and laying on his side on the bottom of the tank when I started the garlic treatment. I mush it up and feed it directly to his mouth and he took it from me. I feed him 4 times per day doing this process. In 3 days he perked up, one week he was swimming happy, one month he was fat, 2 months he regain all his color. 4 years later, one big fat Naso Tang. I had to shorten my story cause I've told this enough times already...lol....
supertech99
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i quickly set up my project 55 gal with a heater and a pump and made up 30 gal of emergency saltwater for quick water changes in case of ammonia and nitrite issues and help to remove the meds from the water. after 24 hours in the meds i did a 20% wc and added a bag of carbon in front of the power head to take out the chemicals. I will be treating them again for 24 hours in 48 hours. after the first treatment there are no more visible spots on any of the fish however the smaller make oclown started to rub again just a little last night after i fed them. My green clown goby that i lost yesterday had the worst infection at the beginning. They are getting pellet food high in hulfa soaked in thawed cyclops and as soon as i can get to the lfs, garlic. any other helpful suggestions to keep them healthy and happy in their qt? anything i can place in the tank while it is running that will be safe for my rock and shrimp/snails to help make sure the infestation dies?
Angela Short
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Time is all you need without fish in the display to make sure all the ick dies off.
Sorry I vanished yesterday, I am pretty sporatic about finding time to get online. And I am going back into hiding again Brandon because when I log on hours are gone before I know it!! So if you see me on here yell at me to go finnish some projects and get off line!
I just linked the garlic artical to show one authors veiw on it as he stated if you mention Ick on the disease forum or any thread you will always get people telling you to use it. Garlic is know as a immune booster and has antibacterial properties also but who knows how much of it actually gets to the fish but its a cheap additive to try. I personally put it in my food I make myself since its not gonna hurt anything. I also get fresh or the kind in a jar from the grocery store in the garden center. Its real juicy and pour that stuff in a blender and it makes a nice super stinky soup you can soak your foods in and be more asured its more pure that what a LFS has packaged. LFS garlic is $$$ also! You can also go with fresh and add a little RO to the blender to be 100% sure you have the best fresh garlic juice to use if you want.
The Metronidazole has had some studies done on its effectivness against Ick and its packaged in some fish medications at the LFS. I have some pills if you wanted to try it also as it will not hurt. I can also get more if anyone needs them from my Vet back home next week since you have to have a presciption for them. I need to get the recipe for you as to how many Mg per how much food you feed. I will PM fishdoc right now for it. I will post it when I hear back from him... Then I will vanish and get to work.
Sorry I vanished yesterday, I am pretty sporatic about finding time to get online. And I am going back into hiding again Brandon because when I log on hours are gone before I know it!! So if you see me on here yell at me to go finnish some projects and get off line!
I just linked the garlic artical to show one authors veiw on it as he stated if you mention Ick on the disease forum or any thread you will always get people telling you to use it. Garlic is know as a immune booster and has antibacterial properties also but who knows how much of it actually gets to the fish but its a cheap additive to try. I personally put it in my food I make myself since its not gonna hurt anything. I also get fresh or the kind in a jar from the grocery store in the garden center. Its real juicy and pour that stuff in a blender and it makes a nice super stinky soup you can soak your foods in and be more asured its more pure that what a LFS has packaged. LFS garlic is $$$ also! You can also go with fresh and add a little RO to the blender to be 100% sure you have the best fresh garlic juice to use if you want.
The Metronidazole has had some studies done on its effectivness against Ick and its packaged in some fish medications at the LFS. I have some pills if you wanted to try it also as it will not hurt. I can also get more if anyone needs them from my Vet back home next week since you have to have a presciption for them. I need to get the recipe for you as to how many Mg per how much food you feed. I will PM fishdoc right now for it. I will post it when I hear back from him... Then I will vanish and get to work
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supertech99
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I have the ability to get online at work when things are slow (don't tell my boss!) so I get to post a lot more often than most. Good call on the homemade garlic juice! My guys look good today no scratching and a little brighter (i didnt even really notice they had gotten dimmer untill now, but they are new). Thanks for all the info guys, I look forward to thanking you in person next weekend at the meeting!
Seachem makes a powder that you mix with food, it is metronidazole.
http://www.seachem.com/Products/product_pages/Metronidazole.html
http://www.seachem.com/Products/product_pages/Metronidazole.html
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