Is this ich?

DerekG4

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Recently it appears 3 of my fish have ich, a small ocellaris clown, a Yellow tang and a Scopus tang. My most recent fish was the Yellow tang and the scopus, which were introduced on the same day, 2 days ago. I have never noticed it before the tangs were added.

Coincidentally one my black ocellaris clowns dissapeared randomly (He was healthy, no spots, no lethargy, ate just fine and was always with his mate) but I doubt this has to do with that.

Before I got the Scopus and the yellow tang, they didn't have a single thing, they appeared just fine. As soon as I put the yellow tang in, he started munching on every piece of hair algae he could see. As for the Scopus, he hides and explores often. (The tangs get along just fine, no signs of aggression of any sort. In fact, they sometimes swim together)

Right now the yellow tang doesn't have any spots on his body that are noticeable, he just has one big (in comparison to normal ich spots) spot on his right fin. The scopus tang has a lot of scattered spots (About a centimeter in radius per spot, but rather than the spots looking like a barely raised dot, it almost looks like it's his color), on his body, his tail, and fins, the spots on his body are more spaced out than the spots on his fins (He's the one I'm most worried about). and the clown has roughly 7 spots that I can count, one under her right eye, like 4 on her left side of her body, and 2 of them on her right side.

From what I've read, they don't have ANY of the symptoms that it says. They don't scratch themselves over the rocks, gills and mouth are moving at a normal pace, they're not lethargic, they all eat fine (The scopus grazes a lot less than the Yellow, but at least he is grazing), their fins aren't clamped (They won't stop moving them actually :lol:) No cloudy eyes, nothing. As far as I found (I can't seem to find many symptoms it can have, all google seems to give me is treatments, prevention, and causes, but barely any symptom articles)

The 2 fish were quarantined for a week at the LFS with a lot of copper ich treatment, pretty much all the fish I have, minus 1 clown that I've had for almost a year in my old tank, were from her and those 3 fish are the only ones that are having it (The clown was fine until the tangs were added)

The tank is a 150 Gallon reef tank, a Wet/dry filter, a UV sterilizer ,a large protein skimmer that seems to work effectively, and LEDs. As for the stock, there's the "Infected" fish (an Ocellaris clown, Yellow, and Scopus tang), a black and white ocellaris, another normal ocellaris clown, blue tang, Carpenter flasher wrasse, yellow corris wrasse, starry blenny, blue chromis, couple blue legged hermits, sandsifting star ,a couple snails, an RBTA, and a rock anemone. Couple LPS and Softies, although I highly doubt corals have anything to do with this. The Sand on the right side of the tank is a little more than inch deep and as it goes to the left, it slopes to a 2/3 of an inch. The params are fine. Salt is 26, Nitrite, Nitrate, and Ammonia are at 0, Phosphates are at 0.2, I forgot what's the alk and cal but it should be fine seeing as all my corals are opening just fine.

I'm highly assuming the Scopus tang is to blame, as he has the most spots and none of this happened before they arrived.

I'd take a picture, but none of them would stand still long enough for my camera to focus on them. I'll take one as soon as they stand still. Just got a picture of the Scopus, just need a moment for it to be sent to my email and I'll be able to post it.
 
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1 week isn't enough to kill the ich? I know she does quarantine them because she has the quarantine tanks right in the corner of the shop where everyone can see and the tank is nothing but green with copper meds. I texted her asking what I should I do and she suggested catching the tangs and give them to her to quarantine longer. Should I do it or is it already too late for the ich being in my tank?

Just put on a flashlight to see how they look, the yellow tang has a black patch on the middle of it's body on both sides, the scopus tangs "Ich" spots are very difficult to see except on it's fins but now with the flash light, I see marks on her that look like dried water stains, and the clownfish looks as if it were healthy under the flash light's light.
 
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No, a week is not long enough to clear the fish of parasites if using copper. Copper treatment should be applied for at least 30 days to ensure eradication. Not sure why the "quarantine" tanks at your LFS are green, but it's not due to copper (copper medications are blue, but they don't discolor the water). If your fish have ich, all fish in the tank have been exposed. Recommend you read the stickies at the top of this forum for treatment options.
 
Well the day I went pick up the fish, her quarantine tanks were very murky green. I've been to another LFS that's about an hour away from me to check things out there and their fishes also have green water. After that I assumed that was copper meds or some kind of medicine. If the fishes really do have ich, I have no idea how to cure them. My old tank is empty (Still has it's water, sand, and rocks. Holding 2 blennies in it for now so I can give to my LFS) but it's only 30 gallons, no way it can hold all 10 fish and I doubt my LFS would allow me to get all of them to quarantine them for me. I guess this is going to be a bit challenging. So even if the symptoms aren't apparent, it can still be ich?
 
Well, pretty much all the fish I have (Except 2) are from her and until now is when I have problems. She's never had any fishes that had any obvious things on them (Ich, Bites on fins/tail, other wounds, discoloration ,etc) and I did see that she quarantined them for only a week so I trusted her. But regarding that, I believe I have to confirm my Scopus tang does in fact have ich. I see the white spots he has protrude a bit out of his scales. He's also hiding a lot, yesterday he barely even stuck out his head. While he's in the rocks he occasionally grazes in there, but only like 2 bites at a time. I'm not sure if it's the lighting, but I think he's getting some discoloration too.

The clownfish that was supposedly infected too, seems to be fine. His spots are going away.

Should I catch the fish and have her quarantine it for maybe 3 weeks or a month? She insisted I do so and it's the only fish having problems for now. If it lives through the ich, would it build a temporary immunity to it? The oldest fish in there is a blenny (He's been in there for 3 months) so I think he's already used to the water and I feel like he may not get the ich. I hear the best medicine is either copper or hyposalinity, so I assume there's no reef-safe cure that's effective? Right now the best thing that I have (Or I least I think it's the best) is a UV sterilizer I have on, so I hope at least it won't spread TOO much.

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The way the Scopus has it's spots, is the size of A but has more spots than A but less than B. Sooner or later I have to get a picture, I know. But now that he's in his cave, it's kind of hard getting him to peak out a bit. The other picture I had didn't really show the spots that much.
 
Again, an LFS is not going to be able to provide adequate quarantine. It has nothing to do with trust, and a week is not adequate quarantine no matter who is doing it. If you want to clear your fish of disease, you will need to treat them yourself in a dedicated tank using one of the recommended methods (tank transfer method is my preference). Again, ALL fish have been exposed and will need to be treated. The display tank will need to be left fallow (without fish) for 72 days to prevent reinfection.
 
The main problem is I don't have another tank for all those fish to fit in. I only have a 30 gallon tank with rocks and sand. Even if I had a bigger tank, it's gonna be impossible to grab the Scopas, he's always hiding and as soon as I catch 1, the rest of the fish will hide too.
 
Well, it appears what the 3 fishes had was a type of fungus. I gave the clown to the LFS to quarantine it and when she saw it, she said the white spots were way too big to be ich spots. So she said it was mushrooms of some sort. I haven't gone to see the clown since that day (It's been roughly a week now) the yellow tang still has it's spot (If anything, it looks like it's gone a tiny bit larger) and the Scopus tang's spots are getting less white by the day, never has it been bright white like that day.

BUT, Now my blue tang all of a sudden has ich now (I can tell it's ich now because there's way more spots, they're smaller, and she's scratching herself against the rocks. I've had that blue tang for roughly a month and a half, and now is when the ich has popped up, but I have noticed over 3 weeks since I had her, she started turning darker.) but the ich randomly appearing is not what's strange to me. For some reason, my Lawnmower blenny is biting the spots off the blue tang and she allows the blenny to do so. Matter of fact, she swims to him to do it. Will the blenny get infected for doing so? I have a video of him doing I but I can't seem to upload it.
 
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I believe you will find you will save yourself a lot of headaches if you get a QT tank and do it yourself. I know it sounds like a lot of work and it can be but its the way to go if you want the best chance of healthy fish.
i wish i would have done that when i started out. Its Russian roulette.... play long enough and you get the bullet. Once its in your TD you can lose all you fish.
I QT for 2 months now.
 
I'll see if I can finally get those blennies out of my 30 gallon and sell them already, then after that I'll remove the sand and the rocks and make it a quarantine tank. Do I have to remove the sump too? The sump has some sand, rocks, and some mangrove seedlings
 
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