Joe's 100W Multichip LED build

RTMA

DIY Fanatic
Hey guys,

Here is the info on my 100w LED chip build. I was considering finally ordering new Radium MH bulbs when i saw some of the posts on the DIY Multichip thread and though I'd try it out. The total for each of the chips + drivers + cooling fans would be comparable to buying two new Radium bulbs.

LED Chip from aallion2008 on Ebay. I asked for the 20K version.

Link HERE

Features:
Rated voltage: 30-36V DC Output power:100W
View angle: 120 degree
Lumen output: 9000Lm
Reflector efficiency: 90%
Light source: 1pcs 100w High Power HCC LED
LED working temperature: <65°C
Color temperature: 20000K
Source life: > 50,000 hours
CRI: >87
SIZE: 52mm(W)*56mm(L)

Optics

I used the optics provided by the seller that match the LED. These are plastic reflectors / holders that pop onto the LED using some pegs & holes. I used the thermal adhesive to bond the reflector to the LED. I then used more adhesive to bond the glass optic to the reflector. On ebay they call them Collimators.

Non-Dimmable Drivers from hiyaseller on Ebay

Link Here

Input Voltage: AC 100V-240V 50/60Hz
Output Voltage: 30V-36V
Current: 3A
Waterproof: IP67
Operating Temperature: -20~80
Storage Temperature: -20~80
Package Material: Aluminum
Dimensions: L18.1 xW7.0 xH4.3 cm
Weight: about 0.8kg

Cooling


I saw a lot of people were using those monster heatpipe and VGA coolers which, I personally thought was overkill. Using my experience from building many computers and many LEDS, I decided that something smaller would work just fine as long as it was rated for a 90+ watt cpu. These heatsink must wick heat away from a processor in a small, usually enclosed box, where ambient temps can be 90+ degrees. My ambient temperature in the fish room is around 75-78 degrees. This should allow me to get away with a smaller heatsink and fan. I choose the Arctic Cooling Alpine 64 Pro Rev 2. from Amazon for $15.99.

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Product Features

  • Alpine 64 PRO Rev.2 is one of the most cost-efficient coolers of its class.
  • The cooler features an optimized heatsink and a 92mm PWM controlled fan for efficient heat dissipation.
  • The Alpine 64 PRO Rev.2 is compatible with AMD Socket FM1, AM3+, AM3, AM2+, AM2 and 939.
  • The buffered-mounted 92mm PWM fan guarantees sufficient cooling at lowest noise.
  • With the combination of the patented fan case, low noise impeller and vibration absorption, the Alpine 64 PRO Rev.2 generates a maximum of 0.4 sone at full speed.

This heatsink's mounting area is perfectly sized for the LED's aluminum base.

You guys saw this at the meeting.

Mounting

I mounted the LED to the heatsink using Arctic Silver Arctic Alumina Thermal Adhesive. I also used this adhesive to mount the lens and reflector to the LED. Just make sure you clean the heatsink (wipe off the supplied compound) with rubbing alcohol or a small amount of acetone before bonding.

I could have just mounted the LEDS above the tank, however i did notice that even with the lens the light would still spread at a wider angle. To collect this light, I modified my Lumenarc Mini Wide pendants to accept the LEDS. I drilled out the rivets of the top plate and placed the LED through the top. I still need to find a way to mount them more permanently then just resting, however they fit quite well into the opening. This allows the excess light to be directed into the tank and cut down on some of the shadows you typically get with a more focused LED light.

Here is a pic.

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I'll take some more pictures as I build the second one. For now I will be running this one along with the other 250w MH.

MH Off and LED on - Right Side.

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MH Off and LED on - Left Side.

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So for this build without the Lumenarc, you are looking at:

Driver - $33.00
LEd - $35.00
Heatsink & Fan - 15.99
12V Power supply - I had many laying around.

Performance

According to the Killawatt, The 100W LED is pulling 1.23 Amps and about 105watts.

Using my PAR meter, the numbers are almost exactly the same as my 250 Watt 20K bulbs. The top shelf gets around 450-500 PAR where my ORA Red Planet colony is.

Heatsink & Fan - While running with the fan, the heatsink plate on the LEd peaks at about 43-45 Celsius, with the heatsink running around 37 Celsius.

Not bad as I am saving about 150 Watts per side. As for the corals, I'll update their response as time goes by. I'll also take some pics with the MH on so you can compare. Although I did buy the 20K LED, it looks more like a 14-16K, still very nice and looks brighter by comparison. The spread looks to be about the same as my MH fixtures, as this is a 36" wide tank. I use the outsides for LPS and lower light corals and that has worked out well. On a 18" or 24" tank, this would be perfect spread.

Hope you guys find this useful and a potentially easier and cheaper alternative to the 3w chip builds (of which I still have a few of :) ).
 
Hi RTMA,

Thank you for posting your build. I'm thinking about adding one or two of these 100w 20K chips to my existing DIY that has all 3 watters. I'm trying to gather a little more info before I make the purchase so I have a couple of questions.

1) What is the light spread of your collimator? (ie: 60/90 degrees?)
2) Regarding your heatsink, in your opinion, will it be able to handle the thermal load if the fan happen to stop working?
3) Did you happen to try mounting your LED to the Lumenarc without the collimator to see what the light spread would be like and also PAR ratings?
 
Looks good Joe! Nice idea with the reflectors there. I thought there would be some blue chips to make the 20K color. And hey, 300W less power is a pretty decent amount.

How about a MH on LED on side by side photo?
 
How do you like the color of the 20k?

I have to really see it more to tell you honestly. I only had it on for a few minutes last night. It's not as blue as a radium would be and not as yellow as my 10K Ushios were. So somewhere in the 14K-ish range I would guess. I have about 26 Cree XPE blues and 2 420nm True Actinics T5's running in those shots.


Hi RTMA,

Thank you for posting your build. I'm thinking about adding one or two of these 100w 20K chips to my existing DIY that has all 3 watters. I'm trying to gather a little more info before I make the purchase so I have a couple of questions.

1) What is the light spread of your collimator? (ie: 60/90 degrees?)

I couldn't get that out of the vendor, but if I had to guess, I'd say about 90-100 degrees. There are separate ones you can buy on ebay that have the actual degree.

2) Regarding your heatsink, in your opinion, will it be able to handle the thermal load if the fan happen to stop working?

No absolutely not. I would doubt that any of the cpu heatsinks without the fan could handle the pure heat. Maybe those big VGA coolers, but then your price doubles. I stuck with the arctic cooling one as I have had great luck on multiple overclocked Intel Q6600 builds and they have yet to fail.

3) Did you happen to try mounting your LED to the Lumenarc without the collimator to see what the light spread would be like and also PAR ratings?

Actually I did try it without the optics, but not in the reflector. I'll definitely give that a shot on the second pendant. The light is very wide, at least 120 degrees without the collimator. Maybe that would work, but it would have to be pretty close to the water and I didn't want it that close (and by close I mean about 6-7 inches.) The collimator allows me to mount it higher and provides better PAR further down in the tank. The height is perfect for the top of the Lumenarc.

Good luck with your build. I was originally going to use two on one side of my tank, but that would be way too much light imho. I think the way it is now, I'll have to move some of my chalices out of the light, towards the front of the tank.

I'll let it run for a week and report back any other findings. Thanks for questions.

I saw some were using the combo chips with blue+ white and I may try one of those too.
 
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Looks good Joe! Nice idea with the reflectors there. I thought there would be some blue chips to make the 20K color. And hey, 300W less power is a pretty decent amount.

How about a MH on LED on side by side photo?

Thanks G, and since this is a dual bluewave magnetic (probably one of the best you can get for Radiums) it pulls way more then 250 each (even with the Plusrite bulbs), it runs at more like 550 watts. So less heat & less power is a great thing! Funny how the drivers arrived exactly a day AFTER our club meeting.

OT - Also switching from the Reeflo pump to the CoralVue Waterblaster HY5000 reduced a lot of heat (1+ degree easy), quiet and it only pulls like 45 watts or so. I was so impressed with this pump, and I have used quite a few different pumps in my time

I'll report back with more details. And I'll get that shot, with the 20K Plusrite bulb and 10K Ushios I have ( I decided on the LED when I went to order the Radiums). If anyone local has a 250w 14K bulb I can borrow, I can do a shot of that too.
 
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Nice build, can't wait to do my own! Satisled.com sells the same LEDs and they now have dimmable 100w drivers.
 
Can't wait to see a shot of just the LED's running. I've contacted a couple of the other vendors and they can sell LED's of higher color temps above 20k. I do like a fair amount of blue (I currently run an XM20k 175W pendant) Have you ever seen an XM20k and how would you say this 20k LED compares?
THanks
-J
 
I have not. And the led is not as blue as my current MH 20K bulbs so I would expect it to be more 14-16Kish then 20K. Maybe an LED rated as 30K may be as blue.
 
Drilling out the rivets with a 1/8" drill bit. Nice and easy. If I ever want to fix I can just redo the blind rivets.

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Mounting the glass lens on the plastic reflector.

I did try the led in the reflector without the lens an the par was exactly 1/2 of the led with the collimator. About 350 right under the surface. My sunset monti was getting about 250 PAR.

Going to let the epoxy sit for a bit and then mount them and take some pics.

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Hi Joe,

What'd you use to keep the reflector and lens in place?

Thanks,

Ron

I used arctic silver arctic alumina. I used to use it for 3w optic holders before and I had it out already. Works well and you only need a little.
 
Mounted
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Drivers.

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FTS

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It's definitely brighter and more 14k then 20k. Reds and purples come out much better. Now to see how the corals respond. PAR is about the same as my old 20k bulbs.
 
Joe - cool thread! Enjoying much. :)

But be careful of that par reading... Remembering meter tendency to under report LED light levels. Significantly. You could cook a tankful of lovely corals.

Keep an eye out...
 
Looking forward to the results... just bought the driver and buying the rest today. I am still on the front about which LED to get. I like the 20K, as I want a 14-16K look, but is it the right spectrum for corals?
 
Also, did the LED come with any optics or did you buy that separate. I am looking at the seller's LED and see nothing that mentions any lens...
 
Shoot him an email. The seller had the matching optics for a few additional dollars. Starting to remember what it was like running LEDs only. Temperature went from 79 to 79.3 the entire day. With halides it was 79 to 81 each day and that's with 5 fans running from noon till about 8 to get it back down. Corals are looking fine but this was only the first day. 6 hours on.
 
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