kole and a powder tang?
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stuccodude
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i believe my new additions did die from no place to call a home and stressed them out. i have over 200 pounds of live rock and caves gallore but 4 tangs is pushing it in a 135.
Amoore311
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I'm surprised no one has brought up the fact that the yellow will probably beat the living crap out of the Kole Tang.
You have 2 grazers in your tank already w/ the Coral Beauty and the Yellow Tang. Adding a 3rd, who would probably be the most active, would undoubtedly grind that Yellow Tang's Gears so to speak. The Yellow Tang is a very irritable fish to begin w/ in a smaller tank.
The bioload would be maxed out I'm sure as well. I had a Kole for a short time in my 90 and that thing was a crapping machine. I swear to you if he ate 1 sheet of Nori, he would poop out the equivalent of two sheets lol.
You have 2 grazers in your tank already w/ the Coral Beauty and the Yellow Tang. Adding a 3rd, who would probably be the most active, would undoubtedly grind that Yellow Tang's Gears so to speak. The Yellow Tang is a very irritable fish to begin w/ in a smaller tank.
The bioload would be maxed out I'm sure as well. I had a Kole for a short time in my 90 and that thing was a crapping machine. I swear to you if he ate 1 sheet of Nori, he would poop out the equivalent of two sheets lol.
Mappelbaum37
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wow.. Alright, glad I started this thread.
Seamac: I'm not lookin for someone to say I can get the kole so I can agree with him. I'm looking for his opinion on why he thinks I would be able to get the kole.
Seamac: I'm not lookin for someone to say I can get the kole so I can agree with him. I'm looking for his opinion on why he thinks I would be able to get the kole.
OnoIgotICH
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Take the Yellow tang out and you'll have room for the powder blue and kole.
If your water test is coming out great, 0 on all ends, you can throw the kole tang in without a problem. The only concern is that the yellow tang MAY fight with the kole. Tangs generally fight with two of the same body styles (yellow tang, purple tang, brown tang) you MIGHT get lucky with the kole tang. honestly i think you'll have better luck with the powder blue and the yellow tang. or better yet a naso (i'll get slammed for putting a naso in the 75)
You can do it. As long as the Kole / Powder blue eats in the LFS tanks they should be fine.
These should be your last fish though.
If your water test is coming out great, 0 on all ends, you can throw the kole tang in without a problem. The only concern is that the yellow tang MAY fight with the kole. Tangs generally fight with two of the same body styles (yellow tang, purple tang, brown tang) you MIGHT get lucky with the kole tang. honestly i think you'll have better luck with the powder blue and the yellow tang. or better yet a naso (i'll get slammed for putting a naso in the 75)
You can do it. As long as the Kole / Powder blue eats in the LFS tanks they should be fine.
These should be your last fish though.
Mappelbaum37
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I'm confused... Who would the yellow fight with? the kole or the powder brown? I wouldn't really want to take out my yellow tang. I like him. I would just look to add the kole or the powder brown... If anything, I thought the yellow would fight more with the powder brown bec. I thought they looked similar.
What do you have in your 75 bowfront onoIgotICH?
Thanks for the response
What do you have in your 75 bowfront onoIgotICH?
Thanks for the response
OnoIgotICH
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no i didn't mean the powder brown tang...i ment the scupas tang, the true ugly brown tang...they look just like the yellow tang only brown. lol
the yellow would more than likely fight with the kole tang, Not the powder.
If the yellow tang is aggressive you might not want to do it. IF hes nice and kinda shy you can.
Generally its best to add your tangs all at once. they wont fight then.
Honestly you if i told you i might get kicked off the forums haha
in the 75 i have about 10 good size fish, from triggers, angels, tangs, groupers, sweetlips. wrasses, parrot fish.
I'm well over that imaginary line called 'bioload' that everyone thinks you can never cross.
the yellow would more than likely fight with the kole tang, Not the powder.
If the yellow tang is aggressive you might not want to do it. IF hes nice and kinda shy you can.
Generally its best to add your tangs all at once. they wont fight then.
Honestly you if i told you i might get kicked off the forums haha
in the 75 i have about 10 good size fish, from triggers, angels, tangs, groupers, sweetlips. wrasses, parrot fish.
I'm well over that imaginary line called 'bioload' that everyone thinks you can never cross.
Mappelbaum37
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Your my kinda guy! 
To me I just feel the tank looks too empty with too little fish. But I also want to have a balance between fish, corals and inverts. I absolutely HATE the brownish hair algae in my tank on my rocks and the only reason I wanted a kole was bec. I heard the work wonders on algae. My yellow tang isn't the aggressive type. He's nice and shy like you said. He does do a fair bit of grazing, so I'm not sure how that would work out with him and the kole.
How is your aggression in the tank? does anyone fight? Do you have good water parameters?
To me I just feel the tank looks too empty with too little fish. But I also want to have a balance between fish, corals and inverts. I absolutely HATE the brownish hair algae in my tank on my rocks and the only reason I wanted a kole was bec. I heard the work wonders on algae. My yellow tang isn't the aggressive type. He's nice and shy like you said. He does do a fair bit of grazing, so I'm not sure how that would work out with him and the kole.
How is your aggression in the tank? does anyone fight? Do you have good water parameters?
OnoIgotICH
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Honestly,
I might linger with about 10-20 nitrates if i dont water change 10 gals every 2 weeks
I have no problems at all with the tank, everyone is fat and happy, there is really no true aggression in the tank, you might see the fish chase each other during feeding time. but most of the sleep together under the same rock. lol
The whole key is, you HAVE to keep up with your filtration.
I have 2 mag 350 filters, 1 350 biowheel, superskimmer, UV light.
75 pounds of rock and sand..
I also have a few BTA's in the tank and they do great.
I think you can add the kole tang. Turn out the lights move the rocks and see how the yellow tang reacts, try feeding if they fight.
I might linger with about 10-20 nitrates if i dont water change 10 gals every 2 weeks
I have no problems at all with the tank, everyone is fat and happy, there is really no true aggression in the tank, you might see the fish chase each other during feeding time. but most of the sleep together under the same rock. lol
The whole key is, you HAVE to keep up with your filtration.
I have 2 mag 350 filters, 1 350 biowheel, superskimmer, UV light.
75 pounds of rock and sand..
I also have a few BTA's in the tank and they do great.
I think you can add the kole tang. Turn out the lights move the rocks and see how the yellow tang reacts, try feeding if they fight.
Mappelbaum37
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I went from nitrates being 20-40 to 0 in about 2 months of using RO water for 10g weekly water changes. I am running a fluval 405 and my new octopus bh300f skimmer should be in tomorrow! I was considering getting a uv light. Might try and mod a sterilizer into the tubing of the fluval.
Do you have any algae problems? Sounds like a busy tank..
What is a BTA?
Do you have any algae problems? Sounds like a busy tank..
What is a BTA?
OnoIgotICH
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I do a good job of cleaning the tank every week, i really just clean the glass. I have some problems with green hair. But i have about 200 blue leg hermits in the tank cleaning. None of the fish seem to eat them...I have a dragon wrasse that picks them up and moves them to his home, He really keeps the sand clean, and the parrot fish i have always scrapes the rocks clean.
The UV light was key i wouldn't run the tank without it. It went out a few months ago for a week and i never noticed...the tank did a 160, i caught it just in time before anyone died. Their fins were getting very cloudy.. But now they are spotless.
anemones, i have a clown that stays in it.
I dont over feed.
I really dont do much to keep it up, just change the filters and do water changes.
I think if you spend the money from the start you should be fine. And also you have to add the right fish at the right time...(the yellow tang would have been last for your tank)
The UV light was key i wouldn't run the tank without it. It went out a few months ago for a week and i never noticed...the tank did a 160, i caught it just in time before anyone died. Their fins were getting very cloudy.. But now they are spotless.
anemones, i have a clown that stays in it.
I dont over feed.
I really dont do much to keep it up, just change the filters and do water changes.
I think if you spend the money from the start you should be fine. And also you have to add the right fish at the right time...(the yellow tang would have been last for your tank)
Mappelbaum37
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Sounds cool. Seems like your on top of things. Do you happen to know of any type of invert that would help out with algae? I guess I should re-stock on hermit crabs and other type of inverts.
Thanks, and good luck with your tank.
Thanks, and good luck with your tank.
OnoIgotICH
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let me know how it goes...just make sure the fish is healthy before you put him in...
the one and only inverts i use are astra snails and blue leg hermits...army of them. I had a big problem with red slime at one point..Added the army and algae never stood a chance.
the one and only inverts i use are astra snails and blue leg hermits...army of them. I had a big problem with red slime at one point..Added the army and algae never stood a chance.
Mappelbaum37
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I was just on liveaquaria and I don't really want to order online but I might. I like to see what I get. (inverts). I picked out a large variety of crabs, snails, and some nudibranch. I don't want to get too much bec. then when there is no more algae, the critters need to be fed with something else like dried seaweed or something.
Thanks
Thanks
Reeftanks6
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Just one thing you should think about is that if the yellow has been in the tank long enough he will not except another tang to be in there with him they will probably fight for a good amount a time. It might die down but it might not. I mean its a hit or miss either way i think either one would be a great addition to the tank i just feel that the yellow should of been the last tang in there. I mean you might get lucky and he might just bother the other tang for a little but it couldnt be that way as well and it can turn bad. Just something to take into consideration.
racksteris
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I never said your not listening. If you end up overstocking your tank it will lead to poor water quality and aggression amounts your livestock which will lead to Diseases.
What type of filtration are you running? If you filtration can handle the bio-load you can have almost as many fish you want. I also love an active tank with lots of fish's.
Mappelbaum37
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reeftanks: Thanks for the advice/info. It's always welcome and I appreciate it. If I end up adding a fish, I will take note of what you have said.
racksteris: Thank you for explaining. Now I understand.
Tomorrow I will be hooking up my new HOB octopus protein skimmer bh300f, with a filter sock for the output.
I am running a prism right now. There should be a worlds difference between these two skimmers and the waste products.
I also have a fluval 405 running with only chemi-pure, chemi-pure elite and the sponges. I took out the ceramic noodles because I was told that I have enough live rock in the tank.
*When I took the noodles out, it helped lower the nitrates, but of course increased the ammonia. The ammonia is slowly dropping back down to 0 again. yesterday it was .25 . I was thinking of re-adding the noodles for beneficial bacteria, but hopefully the new skimmer will bring the ammonia to 0 again. If all corals and fish are fine, I wont add the noodles back in. Thats my theory. Dont mess with success.*
Lastly I am running a newly bought phosban reactor. 150g. I will be doing the media change on that soon.
I was considering a uv sterilizer, but havent done much research on it yet. Maybe someday.
Thanks
racksteris: Thank you for explaining. Now I understand.
Tomorrow I will be hooking up my new HOB octopus protein skimmer bh300f, with a filter sock for the output.
I am running a prism right now. There should be a worlds difference between these two skimmers and the waste products.
I also have a fluval 405 running with only chemi-pure, chemi-pure elite and the sponges. I took out the ceramic noodles because I was told that I have enough live rock in the tank.
*When I took the noodles out, it helped lower the nitrates, but of course increased the ammonia. The ammonia is slowly dropping back down to 0 again. yesterday it was .25 . I was thinking of re-adding the noodles for beneficial bacteria, but hopefully the new skimmer will bring the ammonia to 0 again. If all corals and fish are fine, I wont add the noodles back in. Thats my theory. Dont mess with success.*
Lastly I am running a newly bought phosban reactor. 150g. I will be doing the media change on that soon.
I was considering a uv sterilizer, but havent done much research on it yet. Maybe someday.
Thanks
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