Large tank - Acrylic vs Glass (yes again....)

jsweir

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I want to hear from as many people who have experience with acrylic tanks. I'm talking years if possible. Trying to figure out the best alternative for a 96 x 36 x 24 350 gallon tank which will have to go down stairs into the basement. Glass is extremely heavy and would like to go acrylic, but I plan on using 3 x LIII MH 250W and T5 supplementation so I don't want a cracked tank two years into it. If you have a good experience with an acrylic builder, please share that info as well. Thanks much!
 
I am a fan of glass mainly because you have to work hard to scratch it, with acrylic you have to work hard to remove scratches.

That size tank going down stairs would be extremely difficult...I would not want to do it.

As for asking about vendor's to build your tank, please ask that question in the Vendor Experience Forum.

Cheers,

Nanook:)
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7223783#post7223783 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by jsweir
Yep, it can with $1,000 to grease the skids. That is why I'm asking about acrylic :)

LOL, Your will not be anywhere that big and should have no problem with getting help down the stairs... My problem was that it "just" fit and alot of the CORA members were not willing to help due to the situation... If I could have gotten enough hands I would have done it with out pros... I am just glad it's over...
 
Glass for me aswell.

I went with miracles for a number of good reasons. Check out my tank thread in here, and a little thread in the vendor forum.

-Mike
 
I'll bet that with a good crate and a good comealong you could get it down the stairs with only one helper, I haven't moved Tanks, but I have moved symilarly wieghted boats, and comealongs slowly letting out line are much more reliable than people.
 
Glass. Starphire if you can afford it.
I agree w/ Opcn. I've seen Rigger's move whole printing presses the size of your house, as gentle as a sleeping baby.

Gorgeous piece of glass Shawn... got any pics of it full?

- Mac
 
Is there any reason why the tank can't be built in situ in glass, thus avoiding the transporting and moving problem? It's only 2 hours or so work, if that, and I would have thought that most reputable manufacturers would offer this service.
 
I've owned dozens of tanks ranging from 200 - 720 gallons with some being glass and some being acrylic and I still prefer acrylic on larger tanks for a few reasons:

My kid was playing with the magnet and scrated up a glass tank with a piece of crushed coral stuck to it and guess what that was the end of that tank.

A pice of LR tumbled and hit the side panel of a tank and put a little dimple in the glass which with time started running and I had to empty the tank and get the panel replaced a week later.

The LFS had a 600 gallon tank made out of 1" glass which cracked from the bottom due to the stand not being fully flat. Acrylic will actually bow allowing a certain amount of tolerance before breaking, unlike glass.

Acrylic is a better insulator, thus avoiding the temperature swings. This has been a big one for me since I live in Texas my house stays at 82F all day, then at night when I get home it get's pulled down to 74F, this normally always has caused problems in my glass tanks since the change in temperature is done so quick. My acrylic tanks insulate so well that it gives the heaters enough time to compensate for the slow temperature change (granted I could add alot more heaters to the glass tank), but same goes for heat I would require a big chiller with the glass tank.

I personally feel safer with an acrylic tank then a glass tank. I know if my kid bumps into it, nothing is going to happen since the panels have been welded in place and acrylic that thick can pretty much stop a low caliber bullet without breaking into a million pieces with the tank being empty that is.



The ownly downside to acrylic is that it scratches easy, this is true and coraline loves acrylic but, it's not a big problem to me. I use for the most part a Kent plastic blade to clean of the coraline.

I know some manufacturers now offer scratch free acrylic, but I don't know how this works. You may want to check with http://www.aquartaquariums.com/ to see how this works.

One lass thing my 720 gallon tank which was 4FT tall was made out of 1" acrylic and weighed 850 lbs empty. I'm sure a glass tank that size would weigh in at over 1,500 lbs.

All in all if I didn't have kids coming over to the house and wouldn't upgrade tanks every 3 years I guess I would try a starphire tank, but honestly to the size and type of tank I'm moving to there is no way I would want a glass tank that is that tall and that big. Look at all the big systems (by big I mean 1000+ display size tank) there is a reason why they are all made out of acrylic.
 
In the end, it's probably a personal preference issue.

But since you asked....I have a 10x3x2h acrylic tank. I used a steel frame around the top to really minimize bracing (very, very little and mostly to protect the underside of the steel frame). 1" all panels. It is the "scratch resistant" acrylic and yes, it does seem more scratch resistant than previous acrylic tanks. I agree coralline really likes to stick, it's a bit more of a pain to clean the panels, but all in all, I'm really, really happy. Reasons I went acrylic: one I'm used to them. I live in an earthquake zone and prefer a tank with bonded seams, not siliconed seams (I've had a glass tank leak at the seams after a shaker). I wanted to drill a bunch of holes through the bottom of the tank for my closed loop etc....probably a no, no in a glass tank. And as is....it took 8 guys to move my tank (a lot of tight awkward corners etc....for a box that big to negotiate.

Scratches IMO are NOT all that hard to get out even with the tank full.
 
This thread has some excellent information - Last specific question, is there a significant price difference between acrylic and glass? I know starphire is $$$ but not sure about regular glass vs acrylic.
 
regular glass is much, much cheaper, BUT on a large tank it will be majorly green looking--you need to at least make the planned viewing panels starphire. Once you do that, the prices are virtually even.

Are you getting the tank made locally or shipped? If you are getting it shipped the weight issue will rear it's ugly head.
 
Dayton, OH? Is that a new suburb of the redneck riviera?

JK.

On a serious note, have you had an acrylic tank before? If not, I don't really recommend them for "dream tank" b/c you need to learn acrylic tank care (albeit it's not that hard) and how to take out scratches or you'll freak out after you scratch the tank the first time...
 
No experience with acrylic before. Dayton is where I'm trying to get my next (last) assignment out of the AF. I've lived in LA (lower Alabama) for 6 of the last 9 years and ready for a move with insurance going through the roof and hurricanes getting worse. I was actually leaning towards acrylic before I posted this but now it's hard to decide. I still have a year if I get the assignment, just doing early homework....
 
All I'd say is get some experience with taking scratches out of acrylic before you make a decision. The number one complaint by far about acrylic tanks is scratching. Now factors that affect this: tank width (wider tanks get scratched less often b/c things hit the viewing panels less often), thickness of the acrylic (the thicker the acrylic IME the more superficial the scratches the easier to remove), quality of the acrylic (there are definitely more scratch resistant acrylics on the market). The next complaint would be bracing issues. Personally for my latest tank I had a powder coated steel frame made for the top so that my tank is essentially open top. There are other solutions, but that's the one I went with.
 
Thanks much for all the help. I just noticed your tank is almost the dimensions I am thinking :) How is the wavebox working in your tank?
 
wavebox with extension gives me a nice double wave about 3/4". It actuallly really provides very nice back and forth movement in the tank. The only submerged pumps I use and IMO well worth it.
 
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